Speed Start Up

DeletedUser

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Dear Players,

As everybody knows, the standard level at the speed rounds isn't very hight at the moment. The winner of speed rounds always ends far, really far, above the number 2 and no, that doesn't make it more fun to the number 2. As I have been that number #1 several times now, and players ingame asked to my what my tactics are , I think I should be able to post a specific start up guide which will, hopefully, make the start level far more high.

First thing you have to keep in your mind, is that speed doesn't have anything to do whit a real world. Of course it's the same game, but the tactic shouldn't look like your real world tactic at all. Your rescourses should be far more high, as the speed is 200,300 or maybe 400x higher so you'll win much more with rescourses at a speed world than rescourses at a normal world. The thing I always do is update my rescourses till 7/5/2 or sometimes 6/4/2 before upping my headquarter and barracks. As I do have these rescourses and barracks, I am going to start a rush of spearfighters. Should be something around 100 speerfighter, which you could use to farm barbarian and other abandon villages. With the rescourses you will win with this, you could best update your rescourse levels to an high point. If there are many barbarian villages in the world, just go to 16/15/17 rescourses, with less barbs and abondon villages go to 20/20/21.

With these rescourses you should make an smithy and after that the stable. Make 5 scouts and after that start rushing brownies (LC). Make your farm runs as small as possible. Staying active is very important! Otherwise you won't be able to let your brownies farm constantly. When you reach 500 brownies, start making axes. Try to train your infantery and cavalery constantly and if you are able to do that, start rushing your barrack and stable level. This should bring you to around an 4000/2000 nuke after 2 hours of active playing (these 2 hours are at 400x speed). Start making rammies and update your rescourse levels as well. If your rescourses are around 24 24 24, the speed level is very important! If there are many ''pro-speeders'', it's important to go to and academy as quick as possible. If it is a low skilled speed OR a cluster speed whitout pro's in your noble direction, just update your rescourses till 28/28/28 and let your targets grow up. Never noble a second village with less than 4.000 points!

All right, back to the point of 24/24/24 rescourses or the 28/28/28, you have to go to a noble train with the coin system, or 3 nobles if there is a 3 level academy system. Never attack with less than 3 nobles, but try to have a noble train! While making your train, it's important to try that you keep making axes and brownies. If you are not able to do that, stop making your axes, but never stop making brownies! If you have used this tactic activily, you should have around the 5000/3000/300 nuke, 4 nobles and a top-5 ranking. Try to get a village as big as possible, but never get a defence village as second one, that would ruin your nuke. After nobling that second village, direct start making defence in your second one and use your nobles to get an 3rd and even a 4th village.

You should of have an 4000/2000/200 nuke for now, 4 villages (2, 3 and 4 all defence) and ranking 1, 2 or 3. Now you could easily make many troops. Thanks to your 3 defence villages you will very quickly be able to get a 9000/9000 defence, which helps you against attacks from other people. Thanks to your clear you will be able to noble quickly and stay high ranked till the end.

Thanks for reading, I hope this was what you expected when people asked me to make something,
Pim (Arthur Pendragon. / Kick Makowski)

PS: If people like to, I'll make a part 2 guide (about scripts at speed) and a part 3 guide (about using skills and terms).
 

DeletedUser

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oHai

Very good read, but I can't agree with you in all steps of this "speed guide".

First of, I had play very much speed round around all servers.
.de, .net, .ch, .cz, .pt, .br, french, spanish, Italian etc etc.

I had won some round, many top rankings blablabla.

But can't agreed with this "high rescourse levels", depending on speed settings, neighboors and barbarian village(growing or not).

As in real worlds you should lc-rush and play a "coward's game" at the start, but if the world is short in barbarian villages ofc classic startup rescourse lvls and start spear'whoring and then axe'whoring.

Sure if the barbarian villages don't grow above 750p I can agreed with your "high rescourse lvls". But if the barbarians grow above 750p you can have around wood & clay around 13-20 (depending on farming) and iron between 18-24. <-- Before nobling

Then when it's time for nobling you should noble the players above you in rankings, so that you get a high build village nr 2 and 3 etc.

And then for defence on your second or third village I would propose spear + hc, speed is intensive. You often don't have the time to build spear-sword. I often build like 7000sp,1000sw,2000hc and some brownies for farming.

Sorry for bad english swedish player here.

//r
 

DeletedUser

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I used to use axes all the time, but during start up I never use axes. Spears can be used during start up for farming but after a barb gets a lvl 1 wall i tend to have a few lcs. I would then leave my spears at home and just rush lcs and up my stables. Most of the top speed players tend to use lc for clearing, so if you do a spear start up you would crush them.

As for a no barb world I would just up my mines until bp is coming to a close and then have enough lcs to clear everyone in my 7x7.

But everyone is different.
 

DeletedUser

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Meh, I play it like a normal world except I up mines more at the very beginning before spear whoring. I think you up res somewhat too much though, as once you've got a reasonable amount of LC, it's easy to maintain all 3 queues, so the mines are just clogging up the HQ unnecessarily.
 

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Well I played solo as cornels in this mornings .net speed, testing a method i heard of but have altered slightly, and got tied first to 1K, first to 2K, first to 2 villas, 10K and 20K before i left

I play it mines to 6/4/2, hq to 3, barracks to 1, build 15 sp before starting to farm, 8/6/4, then up to 40 sp, then its to 11/10/10 and hq8, smithy 5, then barracks to 5,hq10

then research lc, build 10 and then research axe, build 60 lc and 100 axe, send lc in bunches of 15 to all barbs around you and use the res to up mines to 17/16/17

get 300 axe, 150 lc by then, then get smithy to 10 for rams and you start clearing slow growers, lc sent in bunches of 30, then aim for resources to 25/24/25 while getting troop count to 1500+, 600 lc and 150 rams

then academy, 1st noble get a player with 2K+ points within your 11x11

after that its up to you :)
 

DeletedUser

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I get LC (whether minewhoring to 8,8,8 or spears) keep farming with LC, whilst upping mines to a desired level. Then rush HQ to 25 or above, up rax/stables and then get acad. Grant's tactic is a bit more in depth.
 

DeletedUser8153

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Arthur Pendragon. said:
Dear Players,

As everybody knows, the standard level at the speed rounds isn't very hight at the moment. The winner of speed rounds always ends far, really far, above the number 2 and no, that doesn't make it more fun to the number 2. As I have been that number #1 several times now, and players ingame asked to my what my tactics are , I think I should be able to post a specific start up guide which will, hopefully, make the start level far more high.

First thing you have to keep in your mind, is that speed doesn't have anything to do whit a real world. Of course it's the same game, but the tactic shouldn't look like your real world tactic at all. Your rescourses should be far more high, as the speed is 200,300 or maybe 400x higher so you'll win much more with rescourses at a speed world than rescourses at a normal world. The thing I always do is update my rescourses till 7/5/2 or sometimes 6/4/2 before upping my headquarter and barracks. As I do have these rescourses and barracks, I am going to start a rush of spearfighters. Should be something around 100 speerfighter, which you could use to farm barbarian and other abandon villages. With the rescourses you will win with this, you could best update your rescourse levels to an high point. If there are many barbarian villages in the world, just go to 16/15/17 rescourses, with less barbs and abondon villages go to 20/20/21.

With these rescourses you should make an smithy and after that the stable. Make 5 scouts and after that start rushing brownies (LC). Make your farm runs as small as possible. Staying active is very important! Otherwise you won't be able to let your brownies farm constantly. When you reach 500 brownies, start making axes. Try to train your infantery and cavalery constantly and if you are able to do that, start rushing your barrack and stable level. This should bring you to around an 4000/2000 nuke after 2 hours of active playing (these 2 hours are at 400x speed). Start making rammies and update your rescourse levels as well. If your rescourses are around 24 24 24, the speed level is very important! If there are many ''pro-speeders'', it's important to go to and academy as quick as possible. If it is a low skilled speed OR a cluster speed whitout pro's in your noble direction, just update your rescourses till 28/28/28 and let your targets grow up. Never noble a second village with less than 4.000 points!

All right, back to the point of 24/24/24 rescourses or the 28/28/28, you have to go to a noble train with the coin system, or 3 nobles if there is a 3 level academy system. Never attack with less than 3 nobles, but try to have a noble train! While making your train, it's important to try that you keep making axes and brownies. If you are not able to do that, stop making your axes, but never stop making brownies! If you have used this tactic activily, you should have around the 5000/3000/300 nuke, 4 nobles and a top-5 ranking. Try to get a village as big as possible, but never get a defence village as second one, that would ruin your nuke. After nobling that second village, direct start making defence in your second one and use your nobles to get an 3rd and even a 4th village.

You should of have an 4000/2000/200 nuke for now, 4 villages (2, 3 and 4 all defence) and ranking 1, 2 or 3. Now you could easily make many troops. Thanks to your 3 defence villages you will very quickly be able to get a 9000/9000 defence, which helps you against attacks from other people. Thanks to your clear you will be able to noble quickly and stay high ranked till the end.

Thanks for reading, I hope this was what you expected when people asked me to make something,
Pim (Arthur Pendragon. / Kick Makowski)

PS: If people like to, I'll make a part 2 guide (about scripts at speed) and a part 3 guide (about using skills and terms).
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This strategy is crazy. Mines to 17+ before LC is completely unnecessary, and risky. once you get 100- 200 spears you will have so much excess iron ( which can be stored in the market ) and a respectable income from farming - the only sensible option you have is to rush straight to LC, from low mines. There is no need to upgrade your mines to such high levels before LC. Once you get 50 - 200 LC you can upgrade Iron up quickly, and then wood and clay respectably, and so on..
Not to mention, your strategy is like having a banner above your village reading "FARM ME"

Secondly, why on earth would you build defence in your 2nd, 3rd AND 4th village. What happens if you lose your main village? Your doomed. you NEED offence in at least 1/2 of your villages, if you want to sustain fast growth.

Why only 4000 Axe/2000 LC/200 rams?
Its not hard to have a full nuke by the time you have nobles if you don't waste ridiculous amounts of time upgrading mines at the beginning.

Why 9000/9000 defence? not only does that not even come close to the amount of farm space you can get, but its the slowest possible option there is. Your better off going for spears/ HC 12,000 spears/ 1200 HC or 2000HC/8000Spears for example.

I do hope people don't start using this guide as level of skill in speed REALLY WILL decrease.
 

DeletedUser

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It is not a bad beginners guide, but I do agree with most your points sn0w, but some players who are new to speed and cannot farm as much as others (don't know the correct methods, lack of premium) will benefit from higher mines and most likely the D in 2nd,3rd and 4th villas. Although 9k/9k builds are inefficient, especially on archer rounds where a 6k sp/2k archer 2k hc or 4k/4k/2k splits are much more efficient as they are quicker to build.
 

DeletedUser8153

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Frank Lucas said:
It is not a bad beginners guide, but I do agree with most your points sn0w, but some players who are new to speed and cannot farm as much as others (don't know the correct methods, lack of premium) will benefit from higher mines and most likely the D in 2nd,3rd and 4th villas. Although 9k/9k builds are inefficient, especially on archer rounds where a 6k sp/2k archer 2k hc or 4k/4k/2k splits are much more efficient as they are quicker to build.
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If your gonna teach beginners, Teach them the correct methods - not some lame point whoring mine strat. TBH.
 

DeletedUser

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brief apologies due - i read your big post first time round, but forgot it was you when i returned to read your most recent post. :)

i do agree with most of your points (spear/hc defence, going for a more offensive setup, etc) but from the couple of times i played speed, i found myself unable to keep up the vigorous farming routines i was used to on normal worlds - encouraging me to raise my mines a bit more than usual along the way. saying that, i still aimed for lc by 300 points, rams by 1k points, nobles by 3k points by which time i'd have the best part of a full nuke with a few spears left over from earlier farming stages. i remember keeping my hq level high in respect to everything else was invaluable. at the beginning of each building stage, the hq was the first thing to go up (save the very first few mines).

spears are first to train - get farming early. then a few axes to act as escorts in farming raids and so i can reduce group size and losses. lc at about the same time to increase farming range and speed. i never build swords in my first village. they're slow and are only useful if you get attacked - and if the attack doesn't have rams, there's little point defending. hence why i'm always the first in my area to get rams - gives me that edge when clearing, and to reduce losses in farming runs. axes for clearing, using lc as backup only if needed or advantageous. lc are too valuable farmers to waste on a clearing raid unless absolutely necessary.

final comment - though i don't agree with a lot of what pendragon said, he must be doing something right to stay #1 a few times. perhaps it's due to something else though - other than his building strategy.

i would like to see what pendragon comes up with for using scripts in speed though - i'm sure i don't know everything about that, and it'd be good to see another perspective's experience.

- Kossa
 
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DeletedUser8153

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Iakovosian said:
brief apologies due - i read your big post first time round, but forgot it was you when i returned to read your most recent post. :)

i do agree with most of your points (spear/hc defence, going for a more offensive setup, etc) but from the couple of times i played speed, i found myself unable to keep up the vigorous farming routines i was used to on normal worlds - encouraging me to raise my mines a bit more than usual along the way. saying that, i still aimed for lc by 300 points, rams by 1k points, nobles by 3k points by which time i'd have the best part of a full nuke with a few spears left over from earlier farming stages. i remember keeping my hq level high in respect to everything else was invaluable. at the beginning of each building stage, the hq was the first thing to go up (save the very first few mines).

spears are first to train - get farming early. then a few axes to act as escorts in farming raids and so i can reduce group size and losses. lc at about the same time to increase farming range and speed. i never build swords in my first village. they're slow and are only useful if you get attacked - and if the attack doesn't have rams, there's little point defending. hence why i'm always the first in my area to get rams - gives me that edge when clearing, and to reduce losses in farming runs. axes for clearing, using lc as backup only if needed or advantageous. lc are too valuable farmers to waste on a clearing raid unless absolutely necessary.

final comment - though i don't agree with a lot of what pendragon said, he must be doing something right to stay #1 a few times. perhaps it's due to something else though - other than his building strategy.

i would like to see what pendragon comes up with for using scripts in speed though - i'm sure i don't know everything about that, and it'd be good to see another perspective's experience.

- Kossa
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He is rank 1 because he is using a point whoring strat. I can pretty much guarantee that if anyone half decent was playing, he wouldn't stand a chance.

Fast LC, and fast farming is always a more efficient way of getting resources than building mines. Once you have LC, you can raise Iron mine easily, and then follow up with clay and wood if you need to. And then you will be able to HQ rush easily. Just like a normal world.. And you will have a full nuke and noble train before this guy even has 1/3 of a nuke :icon_rolleyes:
 

DeletedUser7966

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I agree with the nubcake above with the silly name. Raising mines like you suggested is a waste of valuable HQ time and will ultimately put you behind if you happen to be in a round with an actual decent player.

If you want to do as well as possible on speed, play it as similarly to a normal world start up as possible. Rush spears then lc with low mines to save as much time as possible, whore lc till queue is constant, then up iron till res are balanced. After that, I personally never need to put wood/clay up as they can be kept balance by choice of buildings (which ultimately at this point should be limited to HQ, rax and stables, then whenever necessary farm and warehouse.

After that, its judgment when to stop concentrating on those and go for nobles, I generally work it out so that I get nobles just as full nuke finishes (and it will be far earlier than by following your strategy, both for nobles and full nuke). After that is just easy, repeatedly rim whoever is in #2 till everyone gives up.
 

DeletedUser

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Over 20 hq is quite ridiculous on speed. Unless you get catted or something.
 

DeletedUser282

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I can only advise any strategy like this if the amount of barbarians on the round is ridiculously low, and in that case I would generally prefer (assuming a high speed) a fully fledged minewhore start where you get 30/30/30 before nobling, perhaps with a few lc to farm as long as you can keep your hq constantly building mines. This is not a good strategy, but I have used it many times on rounds without many barbarians at all.

If there are a nice amount of barbarians then treat it like a normal world as much as you can, perhaps with slightly higher mines than normal as you are unlikely to want to continue farming when you have multiple villages. (Like 5)

Also when looking for noble targets, unless there any major threats, I like to scout around and look for someone with minimal defence and high mines. It's just easier to run villages with high mines than farm loads.

@ muldeh
It can depend on the settings, I have gone for hq 20-25 (hell, even 27 on a slower speed) many times on rounds where there are lots of barbs with fast growth. The result is ridiculously fast and sustainable growth.
 

DeletedUser8153

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Muldeh said:
Over 20 hq is quite ridiculous on speed. Unless you get catted or something.
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No not at all.
I nearly always find that i cant build my buildings fast enough, and have to put it up to at least 23 relatively early on.

I think its important to get a healthy number of spears (100 - 200 ) and you can farm on a very large radius. I send 32 spears to each barb, and depending on the area, might get 50 or so axes. If farming is good however, then Spears-> LC
Once got about 50 LC. usually before everyone else has any, i can upgrade mines to a decent level, and then keep upgrading farm/wall/warehouse until I can confidently keep queues going.

Then HQ up before i start upgrading stable/barracks.
 

DeletedUser

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I leave my hq at 25 when a villa is fully upgraded,in case I get catted.
It's a good idea for noobs who don't farm but, honestly dude, your mines don't need to be that high, it takes too long and uses too many resources that could be spent on troops for farming.
 
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