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DeletedUser6775

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Good post yet again AP. Limitless has no troops and no wall last i heard so will prob drop out on top 20 now.

The rest i think your spot on with i think
 

DeletedUser9748

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I doubt there will be anyone who will noble before the peace break. Nobleman requires too many res + you have to upgrade your warehouse also. But I am sure we will some some nice noblings just after the xmas break...huge battles there :p
 

DeletedUser4221

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Nice post AP. very interesting

Quite close on my prediction but your first one was closer,

I look forward to your next prediction.

Assassin222
 

Maggie Wallis

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Very nice work again AP... interesting to see players noble rushing with different mine levels... be interesting to see who gets nobles first and what they noble... and if they can time it right with the attack breaks round the corner...

I can speak from experience when I say nobling first on a no hauls world a small barb, although provides plenty of giggles, is a difficult strategy to make work... well it was for me...

Got to wonder how many troops someone with 27/26/21 mines has got... and whether anyone has the guts to find out... :)

For little Harry's sake I just hope the players with the highest mines have very few troops and get found out otherwise they could easily have an advantage that would be difficult to pull back...

Edit: My spreadsheet still tells us that we need 2m+ res before we'll be sending nobles out so I'm hoping to noble my 2nd village on Harry's first birthday...

I'm glad you didn't do the top 10 12 hours earlier when we were rank 10, might of confused you but would of made you laugh... I upgrade the mines and Harry upgrades the buidlings he thinks are prettiest...
 
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I'm glad you didn't do the top 10 12 hours earlier when we were rank 10, might of confused you but would of made you laugh... I upgrade the mines and Harry upgrades the buidlings he thinks are prettiest...

25/26/20, 18 Hq with a high wall?
 

DeletedUser

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I doubt there will be anyone who will noble before the peace break. Nobleman requires too many res + you have to upgrade your warehouse also. But I am sure we will some some nice noblings just after the xmas break...huge battles there :p

I know of a couple of people who are, atleast planning to, noble before the break. The addition of another villages with mines producing over the break would be very nice. However, if someone does manage to noble before the break with 23/23/23 mines in two villages, they will be producing 833/833/833 in each village; 1666/1666/1666 per hour (4998 res total). Someone with 29/29/25 mines (Completely feasible before the break) in one village will be producing 2063/2063/1127 res per hour (5253 res total). While nobling before the break will require a noble target close to you and it's unlikely anyone will be nobling a target with 23/23/23 mines before the break, I'm sure several people will hit 29/29/25 (or it's equivalent) mines before the break. So I personally don't see much benefit in noble rushing apart from people nobling targets with mines bigger than their own, which has it's own risks.

Edit: My spreadsheet still tells us that we need 2m+ res before we'll be sending nobles out so I'm hoping to noble my 2nd village on Harry's first birthday...

You're assuming people will be nobling with trains; which would be pretty stupid considering the res involved and the 500ms attack gap. A single noble would cost 223k res overall not including acad (273k res including acad). 30/30/30 mines produce 2400/2400/2400 res per hour, which would mean 38 hours to get enough resources to build academy, mint 1 coin and build one noble. This is not taking into account the unbalance in res required. Clay is the most required resource, 105k clay needed needed for acad, coin and noble which would be 43.75 hours with a level 30 clay mine. Still under 2 days for 1 noble, faster if you know how to use your market.

But, you are correct that a noble train will take a long time, requiring 455k wood, 525k clay and 460k iron (1.44 mil res by my count), which would take 218.75 hours with 30/30/30 mines; over 9 days of sitting there and saving resources. None of my calculations take into account the limited amount we can haul, which would shave a few hours of each of my calculations.

Looking at the example of lionheart; as he's closest to acad (HQ 20 Smithy 20), and I make out he has 20/20/18 mines, which produce 530/530/391 res pr hour. A noble and acad, a mentioned earlier, costs 83k/105k/85k. That will take him 156.5 hours/198 hours/217.5 hours. Taking into account farming, you can currently haul 21k res per day. Over the course of him waiting, I'll take an average haul limit of 27k res per day. That's 9k of each res roughly a day, 375 per hour. Taking that into account, it would take him 111 hours, just over 4.5 days to a noble. This is, of course, not taking into accounts troops or building anything else during the time he's waiting for nobles...
 

Maggie Wallis

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You're assuming people will be nobling with trains; which would be pretty stupid considering the res involved and the 500ms attack gap. A single noble would cost 223k res overall not including acad (273k res including acad). 30/30/30 mines produce 2400/2400/2400 res per hour, which would mean 38 hours to get enough resources to build academy, mint 1 coin and build one noble. This is not taking into account the unbalance in res required. Clay is the most required resource, 105k clay needed needed for acad, coin and noble which would be 43.75 hours with a level 30 clay mine. Still under 2 days for 1 noble, faster if you know how to use your market.

But, you are correct that a noble train will take a long time, requiring 455k wood, 525k clay and 460k iron (1.44 mil res by my count), which would take 218.75 hours with 30/30/30 mines; over 9 days of sitting there and saving resources. None of my calculations take into account the limited amount we can haul, which would shave a few hours of each of my calculations.

Looking at the example of lionheart; as he's closest to acad (HQ 20 Smithy 20), and I make out he has 20/20/18 mines, which produce 530/530/391 res pr hour. A noble and acad, a mentioned earlier, costs 83k/105k/85k. That will take him 156.5 hours/198 hours/217.5 hours. Taking into account farming, you can currently haul 21k res per day. Over the course of him waiting, I'll take an average haul limit of 27k res per day. That's 9k of each res roughly a day, 375 per hour. Taking that into account, it would take him 111 hours, just over 4.5 days to a noble. This is, of course, not taking into accounts troops or building anything else during the time he's waiting for nobles...

Your presuming we will be going for a noble train.. :)

2m res is where we want our village build and troop count to be when we go for a 2nd village... as you said it can be done with a lot less res and a lot quicker.. tried that on the no hauls world, trying something a little different on this world...
 

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Another update on the top twenty; (*NOTE* This post was written sporadically over a period of 3 hours. As such, the rankings shown aren't correct and I've commented on stuff which isn't shown in the ranking (i.e worf201 nobling a village)

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1    KrAzY eYeZ kIlLa041Quest!	3.522	2	1761
2	FatIgor  	LTD	3.353	1	3353
3	worf201 	L-S	3.348	2	1674
4	Cero Puccol	BRENT	3.291	1	3291
5	Gargareth	Quest!	3.217	1	3217
6	s2poy    	LTD	3.165	2	1583
7	PintoMcGuinness	ABAD	3.127	1	3127
8	Bazza The Brave	Titans	3.033	1	3033
9	gotcha!  	BOGOF	3.017	1	3017
10	-vengeance-	Quest!	3.011	1	3011
11	uthur     	-V-	2.932	1	2932
12	NoSympathy	Quest!	2.919	1	2919
13	Assassin222	W.G	2.903	1	2903
14	AliasedAntagonistQuest!	2.896	1	2896
15	Harry Mint	Quest!	2.891	1	2891
16	kasjanek9113	ChotN	2.886	1	2886
17	spikeytroll	Quest!	2.851	1	2851
18	timmyturtle	Magic	2.823	1	2823
19	Artieman	L-S	2.822	1	2822
20	omegawebby	Magic	2.800	1	2800

1. KrAzY eYeZ kIlLa041~ New to the top twenty compared with my last post, so 19+ ranks with a 169 point lead over rank 2. This is due to being first to noble, nobling the barbarian village of Perfect Harmony. 22/23/19 mines is what I can see (he's claiming 23/24/19 but I can't see that in TW Stats) in his main village, HQ 20, Smithy 20. His academy was recently catted(among other stuff). 21/21/15 mines in his nobled village, decent considering he lost no troops in nobling it. Now it just matters how much damage he receives before the attack break starts.

2. FatIgor~ Down 1 rank from my last post, 5 point lead on rank 2. Got an academy yesterday morning and hasn't built anything since, so assuming he's got at least 1 coin and waiting on resources for a noble. HQ 20, Smithy 20, Academy and mines haven't changed from last time; 25/25/23. If he can noble before the attack break, he'll benefit greatly with an extra set of mines. If not, his noble rush isn't very well timed...

3. worf201~ Up 6 ranks from my last post, 57 point lead over rank 4. Third person to noble, a 432 point (non bonus barb). A small, safe target. Built Academy 4 days ago so it was inevitable he would noble before the break. He kept his HQ running with wall level (reaching wall 19) which probably slowed him to nobles. Probably last person to noble before the attack break (In 3 hours time, currently no nobles in the world). Mines of 22/22/20, HQ 20, Smithy 20 and wall 19. Will hurt anyone trying to attack, especially if he has any troops behind that wall.

4. Cero Puccol~ Up 6 ranks from my last post, with a 74 point lead over rank 5. Just built academy, and unless he saved resources in que, unlikely that he'll be able to noble before the attack break. 25/25/24 mines, HQ 20, Smithy 20 and Academy.

5. Gargareth~ Up 1 ranks from my last post with a 52 point lead over rank 6. Highest ranked player without an academy, having the first level 30 mine built and a second one in his que(will likely be the second level 30 mine in the world). 29/30/21 mines, but only HQ 15 and Smithy 5. Unlikely that he'll be able to noble this year. His high mines, however, will pay off in the 2 attack breaks coming up.

6. s2poy~ Up 14 ranks from my last post, with a 38 point lead over rank 7. Second person to noble in this world, nobling a 490 point bonus (10% pop) barb. Again, a small target, but a safe one. Will it stunt his growth growing two villages with one set of mines? He built academy at 1 ST on the 22nd of December, and hasn't built anything since. His main has 23/23/xx mines, so not providing much res.

7. PintoMcGuinness~ Down 2 ranks from my last post, with a 94 point lead over rank 8. Second highest ranked person without an acad. This is due to, strangely, him having a HQ 23. Seems pretty stupid to have over 20 HQ on limited hauls, especially as he couldn't que consecutive smithy levels anyway. Will probably be able to noble before the second attack break. 27/27/20 mines (unsure about iron), so has pretty high mines to benefit from over his break, HQ 23 and smithy 19.

8. Bazza the Brave~ Up 6 ranks from my last post, with a 16 point lead over rank 9. Has been mixing in his noble rush with mine upgrades. Has HQ 20, Smithy 17 and mines of 27/28/24. Seems to be a balanced build and will probably noble shortly after the next attack break; or he might be able to noble just before it depending on how much res he has stored and what's in his que atm.

9. gotcha!~ New to the top twenty compared to my last post, so 11+ ranks with a 6 point lead over rank 10. He built an Academy yesterday, but decided to upgrade mines today. Probably realised he couldn't noble before the break; could've been smarter with his build order but he shouldn't suffer too much. 24/25/20 mines with HQ 20, Smithy 20.

10. -vengeance- New to the top twenty compared to my last post, so 10+ ranks with a 79 point lead over rank 11. Went for high mines with HQ upgrades in between, 28/28/25 mines with HQ 20 and Smithy 12. Sh/Could be nobling quickly after the second attack break.

3 of the top ten players are in Quest!(+1 player), 2 in LTD(+2 players), 1 each in L-S(no change), BRENT(no change), ABAD(no change), Titans(+1 player) and BOGOF(+1 player).
7 of the top twenty players are in Quest!(+4 players), 2 each in LTD(+2 players), L-S(no change), Magic(+2 players) and BRENT(no change) and 1 each in ABAD(no change), Titans(no change), BOGOF(+1 player), -V-(no change) and W.G(+1 player)

Points within individual ranks are still close together, but there is now a 722 point difference between rank 1 and 20 (+353 points from last week). In week 1, the rankings were dominated by RAGE. In week 2, they diversified. In week 3, rankings are dominated by Quest!. I think week 4 will look kindly on those who adapted to the attacks breaks and whose growth won't falter with no farming. People will be nobling between now and next week, but a lot of people nobling are also being attacked so rankings will now also be affected by peoples surroundings; one of two people with the same strategy might do better because he has a bigger, easier and closer noble target.

Merry Christmas guys! :xmas_biggrin:
 

DeletedUser

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So now rank actually matters (I base this entirely on the fact I am rank 1 at present)...


1 KrAzY eYeZ kIlLa041 Quest!
Heard he's never had sex. TW players are such nerds!

2 FatIgor LTD 3.362 1 3362

Biggest single village on the world, seems to be an odd build as AP said with a poorly timed noble rush. May last through the attack break in the top 10, but I forsee him later falling down if he makes such poor decisions throughout.

3 worf201 L-S 3.348 2 1674

3rd to noble, choose a barb when he had a 30% of all bonus relatively close. I do question his choice in target, that 30% bonus would I expect have paid of more rather than what he did choose to noble. Was this a poorly timed noble rush? A noble panic (AH BREAK SOON MUST NOBLE), which is understandable clearly - if you've got a noble you want to use it before the break maybe he didn't have the time to get to the bonus. I don't know, all speculation.


4 Cero Puccol BRENT 3.297 1 3297

Hmm another poor noble rush?


5 Gargareth Quest! 3.217 1 3217

The first of the "mine" whores, which is indeed an understandable tactic. I wouldn't have thought the push to 30 would work on a world without the attack break, but it should be more effective here due to the stoppages. I expect we'll see him about.

6 s2poy LTD 3.181 2 1591

Second to noble, a farm population which at this stage I can't understand to be honest. May pay off for him, however.

I got bored here, as you do. There's not really that much to speculate on beyond here (most players fall into one of two groups:mine whores or acad rushers) out of those the mine whores below here should definately be more successful. I think a few people have mistimed noble rushes badly (infact anyone with an academy who has yet to noble has misstimed it in my opinion).

What does amuse me is that I nobled first despite keeping my HQ at 16 from smithy 10 -> smithy 20, and then hq 17, 18, 19, 20. Just shows fastest to academy is irrelevant, it's fastest to noble that matters when pushing for acad - this is actually a point often raised on regular worlds (or at least one I consider on many worlds) where the top players HQ push too high on account of being faster to academy yet in turn make themselves slower to noble - it's just clearer here. Also I'm guilty of this on other worlds before anyone says "You do it too". Just a general observation applicable to other worlds also.
 

DeletedUser9748

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Since we have more noblings AP, how about a new review? ^^
 

DeletedUser

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Since we have more noblings AP, how about a new review? ^^

Completely forgot about doing this ^^.
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1	misschiff	ARMGDN	7.108	2	3554
2	jmaxspeed	-V-	6.885	2	3443
3	Cero Puccol	BRENT	6.775	2	3388
4	gotcha! 	BOGOF	6.046	2	3023
5	Ballerond	WC :)	5.253	2	2627
6	PintoMcGuinness	ABAD	5.246	2	2623
7     SpankedByAPenguin-V-	5.209	2	2605
8	timmyturtle	Magic	5.169	2	2585
9	FatIgor  	LTD	5.169	2	2585
10	Bazza The Brave	Titans	5.075	2	2538
11	omegawebby	Magic	4.791	2	2396
12	Assassin222	W.G	4.788	2	2394
13   KrAzY eYeZ kIlLa041Quest!	4.775	2	2388
14  The Internet is for...Quest!	4.740	2	2370
15	damothedevil	W.G	4.720	2	2360
16	sb007ck 	~R~	4.715	2	2358
17	worf201 	L-S	4.662	2	2331
18	chiefgnome	WC :)	4.644	2	2322
19	Gargareth	Quest!	4.636	1	4636
20       AliasedAntagonistQuest!	4.589	1	4589

1. misschiff~ New to the top twenty compared to my last post, so 19+ ranks with a 218 point lead over rank 2. Nobled a couple of days ago; an internal, 2k village, from his own tribe, ARMGDN, so suffered no losses yet grew signifcantly, will definitely help him in the future.. His main village has HQ 20, Smithy 20, Academy and 27/28/24 mines. His ennoblement has 25/26/xx mines and Smithy 16. Possibly going for acad in second village too?

2. jmaxspeed~ New to the top twenty compared to my last post, so 18+ ranks with a 110 point lead over rank 3. Nobled yesterday morning, another internal, but this time a 3k village. Again, easy conquer and no troop losses. His main village has HQ 20, Smithy 20, Academy and 25/26/24 mines and his ennoblement has HQ 20, Smithy 20, Academy and 25/26/24 mines. The similarity in build orders suggests one player was instructing the other as to what to build and when and the ennoblement was planned for some time.

3. Cero Puccol~ Up 1 rank from my last post, with a nice 725 point lead over rank 4. Nobled a 2.5k village early yesterday and it wasn't an internal or barb :icon_eek::icon_idea: He gained 3k ODA, suggesting his target was offense or severely lacking in troops (or it was in fact a gift and the ODA is a guise just there to confuse us). His main village has HQ 20, Smithy 20, Academy and 26/26/25 mines. His ennoblement had HQ 20, Smithy 20 and built Academy on the 26th of December. This was then catted, amongst other buildings, the following day. The ODD increase at that time doesn't match Cero's ODA, so it is unlikely it was Cero who catted numerek. However, could've been a much nicer target had the catting not occured. His main also has 26/27/25 mines (disguised as barracks level 21 and 22, don't know whether that was deliberate or not).

4. gotcha!~ Up 5 ranks from my last post, with a 793 point lead over rank 5. Nobled a 2.3k village from LTD around 4 hours ago, gaining 2k ODA and 200 ODD, again suggesting an offense target. His main village has HQ 20, smithy 20 and Academy and 25/26/23 mines. What also struck out was a low farm level being upgraded recently, suggesting he's focusing on troops now. His ennoblement, Peace, was rammed/catted from the previous day and had losses to some buildings. He also gained 7k ODD over this period, which suggests gotcha! needed help in nobling his target as it can't have been his troops killed. Feel sorry for the poor sap who lost his troops for no village :icon_razz: His ennoblement has/had (Not taking into accounts the catting) HQ 20, Smithy 17 and 24/24/23 mines.

5. Ballerond~ New to the top twenty, so 14+ ranks from my last post with a 8 point lead over rank 6. Nobled a 2k village early yesterday. On the 28th of December, Ballerond's ODD increased by 4.5k while his targets ODA increases by 3.7k and ODD increased by 4k. Possibly suggests some attacking/backtiming between the two before he was finally nobled. I'd guess Ballerond had some support from his tribe (either in attacks or defense), but he still must have lost some troops. His main village has HQ 20, Smithy 20, Academy and 23/24/xx mines. His ennoblement has HQ 20, Smithy 13 and 24/24/21 mines.

6. PintoMcGuinness~ Up 1 rank from my last post, with a 37 point lead over rank 7. Nobled 30% all res village on the 28th December, which will pay off in the long run but may stunt his growth trying to run both villages. His main village has HQ 23, Smithy 20, Academy and 28/29/23 mines.

7. SpankedByAPenguin~ New to the top twenty, so 13+ ranks compared to my last post with a 40 point lead over rank 8. Nobled a 2.25k village from ARMGDN on the 29th of December, gaining 3.2k ODA and 3.5k ODD in the process, again suggesting possible exchanges between the two players. His main village has HQ 20, Smithy 20, Academy and 22/24/21 mines. His ennoblement has 23/24/22 mines, HQ 20 and Smithy 15.

8. timmyturtle~ Up 10 ranks from my last post, with a 0 point lead over rank 9 :O . Nobled a 500 point 100% clay village on the 27th of December, while he had a 3.6k point village 1 field away. I guess he thought the losses wouldn't be worth the ennoblement. His main village has HQ 20, Smithy 20 and Academy with 29/29/24 mines.

9. FatIgor~ Down 7 ranks from my last post, with a 94 point lead over rank 10. Also nobled a 500 point 100% clay village on the 27th of December. His main village has HQ 20, Smithy 20, Academy and 28/28/24 mines.

10. Bazza the Brave~ Down 2 ranks from my last post, with a 283 point lead over rank 11. Nobled a 500 point 30% res barb on the 30th, comparatively far away compared to other conquers. His main village has HQ 20, Smithy 20 and Academy with 28/29/27 mines.

2 of the top ten players are in -V-(+2 players), 1 each in ARMGDN(+1 player), BRENT(no change), BOGOF(no change), WC :)(+1 player), ABAD(no change), Magic(+1 player), LTD(-1 player) and Titans(no change).
4 of the top twenty players are in Quest!(-3 players), 2 each in -V-(+1 player), WC :)(+2 players), Magic(no change) and W.G(+1 player) and 1 each in ARMGDN(+1 player), BRENT(-1 player), BOGOF(no change), ABAD(no change), LTD(-1 player), Titans(no change), ~R~(+1 player) and L-S(-1 player)

Gaps increasing between players, with now a 2519 point gap between rank 1 and 20 (+1797 points), meaning rank 20 would need a good noble target to be able to over take rank 1. The top ten/twenty has also diversified in terms of tribes, with 9 tribes being present in the top ten and 13 tribes being present in the top twenty. On the 30th of December, there were two players in the top twenty with 1 village, ranked 19 and 20. On the 31st, they both have fallen out and the top twenty is filled with players with two villages. I think by next week we'll see who can grow faster; those who waited and noble bigger targets, or those who nobled earlier and will noble again (of course, these aren't the only two options, but the main ones we'll see at the top of the ranks, in my opinion. (or internals))

Have a Happy New Year guys!
 
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2. jmaxspeed~ New to the top twenty compared to my last post, so 18+ ranks with a 110 point lead over rank 3. Nobled yesterday morning, another internal, but this time a 3k village. Again, easy conquer and no troop losses. His main village has HQ 20, Smithy 20, Academy and 25/26/24 mines and his ennoblement has HQ 20, Smithy 20, Academy and 25/26/24 mines. The similarity in build orders suggests one player was instructing the other as to what to build and when and the ennoblement was planned for some time.

Thats not actually true, jaco1 and i have been playing TW together for a long time now and follow the same strategy, he is a fellow school friend.

Unfortunately the death of his mother came and devastated us, TW is the last thing on his mind at the moment so he gave me his vill, it was not planned.
 

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4. limitless~ Down 3 ranks from my last post, having lost his title of highest mines within 2 hours of my post. 31 point lead over rank 5. Has 25/26/20 mines (again, unsure on iron), currently in the process of his HQ rush, currently at HQ 18. However, he seems to have lost 9 points 2 hours after points for his HQ 18 finished. Demolishing a building, wall knocked down or his neighbours got cats? I don't know. If troop losses accompanied his point loss, could set him back a bit in nobling compared with, say, FatIgor.

an old post I know, had fun taking him out of the top ten though :D
 

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[la]That isn't something to brag about, to be honest. Your overly high OD and early rush to cats wasted resources better spent on resource pits. While rushing smithy wasn't necessarily a bad choice, you wasted any advantage it may have given you by wasting your troops and building unnecessary cats. You also stunted the growth of a player you could have allowed to grow further in hopes of having a better noble target than what he is today. I assume you have your Academy, with mines somewhere near 21/21/21. Unlike the players who rushed Academy early enough to have nobled by now, and unlike the players who waited to get their mines to 30/30/30, you took a path that landed you with neither an early noble nor high mines, and on top of that you left a nice noble target which hasn't grown in over a week that many other players may have noticed and might even get to before you have a chance.

So... congratulations. You took the cheap path and took out a player with greater skill than you so early on it is not only a dirty tactic (but hey, this is a war game, so all is fair) but one that left you more vulnerable than is wise.

Now, you can be happy about your accomplishment, but don't grow an ego you don't deserve: arrogance doesn't fit you, you have to better understand the consequences of your actions first.[/la]
 
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[la]That isn't something to brag about, to be honest. Your overly high OD and early rush to cats wasted resources better spent on resource pits. While rushing smithy wasn't necessarily a bad choice, you wasted any advantage it may have given you by wasting your troops and building unnecessary cats. You also stunted the growth of a player you could have allowed to grow further in hopes of having a better noble target than what he is today. I assume you have your Academy, with mines somewhere near 21/21/21. Unlike the players who rushed Academy early enough to have nobled by now, and unlike the players who waited to get their mines to 30/30/30, you took a path that landed you with neither an early noble nor high mines, and on top of that you left a nice noble target which hasn't grown in over a week that many other players may have noticed and might even get to before you have a chance.

So... congratulations. You took the cheap path and took out a player with greater skill than you so early on it is not only a dirty tactic (but hey, this is a war game, so all is fair) but one that left you more vulnerable than is wise.

Now, you can be happy about your accomplishment, but don't grow an ego you don't deserve: arrogance doesn't fit you, you have to better understand the consequences of your actions first.[/la]

well he did say he did it for the fun so maybe his aim is to have some giggles and not play for rank or ego buffing? Just a thought....

Mind you taking out a player with greater skill (TW Stats is amazing that it tells you the skill level :icon_eek:) than themselves and using dirty tactics too?! Shakes head is a wicked world we live in :icon_wink:

Maybe this players actions were smart and maybe not but taking out a bigger player (and higher skilled!) in your vicinity might be a good move in the long term if the player isn't obsessed with rank/efficient growth surely?

Also might have sent a few thoughts on the mine good time girls out there about forgetting to build troops? All in all whilst making a lower noble target and slowing down their own growth this may have meant this players gets much further in this world?

So maybe Bickomad1 is sharper than you thought LA?
 
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