1. The villages you listed were taken before any agreement was made.
Thats exactly what I said, that poker attacked fellas without giving us as much as a message knowing full well that we are at war with them. While we informed you when we started fighting them. Thats a FACT
You clearly forgotten those villages that a car too without permission or any agreement. - your words. You stated that I needed permission which I didn't and if you think I did, it is only your opinion and does not prove we did anything wrong in this case. You can keep moaning about how honorable you are, but neither written nor verbal agreement was made forbidding me from taking fellas villages.
3. You did not destroy fellas before we attacked. You took like 40 villages and there were around 230 left. If you class this as destroying a tribe, I disregard everything you further say.
You should go count up the takes again.. there is close to 70 villages taken from a tribe with around 300 villas when you jumped in. thats nearly 1/3 of a tribe - also at this point most of them have quit due to us attacking.
First of all, if your numbers were correct, this would be less than 1/4th of a tribe, far from 1/3. My first village was taken 2017-05-22 19:11:36. Now, let me present facts and not an opinion. Smash took 45 villages from 274. This is the statistical fact that should support your claim "
everything you said is void by the fact that you waited until we destroyed a tribe to then sneakily jump on free villages" and you are even stated that your facts void Zaras statements. Anyone with a half decent ability to think would say that taking 45 villages from 274 is far from destroying a tribe. Fellas were resisting you and us. Obviously most of their def was on your fl, I don't deny it, but we were getting sniped and all villages we took had def in them which can't make them FREE by the definition of word FREE. This very well voids your statement and I am confident that everything you further say will be supported by your opinion and not a single relevant fact.
4. We had a NAP with fellas, not an alliance and we did not see it as valuable to us anymore so we decided to terminate it. Fair play and a fact. Villages were not free (refer to my post above), thus you are speculating and lying to yourself once again.
Yes, you stopped seeing it valuable as soon as they lost 40 villages as you say? If they were such small losses then why you suddenly cancel NAP, btw you never told us this, what zara told us is that mantvisk is "gifting you the villages", then a day later you give us clearing reports where you hit villages with troops left in them and tell us you cleared them.. You didnt hit any stacks, the player was inactive and you probably didn't even loose a nuke per village so called clearing him.
We stopped seeing it valuable as we knew that they would get destroyed by a stronger tribe - SMASH and there was 0% chance of them attacking us because of your war and 0% chance of them attacking us anytime later in the game because it was very obvious that they were losing the war, therefore we did not open a new front by canceling the nap, everything stayed the same and we didn't have a nap holding us from taking villages INSIDE OUR CORE. Zara told you that kiskisas was gifting me his villages, not mantvisk, in fact half the players in Fellas were gifting a car their villages and we did not take them because it was your war and it would have been disrespectful to steal villages, we only planned on clearing our territory and securing it, to make sure we have a strong frontline when the war against SMASH comes in the future. We told you that we cleared the villages because we did, if you think that killing a full def in a village is not classed as clearing it, then PLEASE keep your opinion to yourself because neither we nor half of your friends would agree with you. Anyway, this is not an opinion war, you presented your view, not a fact that contradicts anything I said.
5. You were nowhere near ducks at first, later we made an agreement that prohibits you from taking villages or players from ducks. I don't remember when that agreement was made, sorry
Why should it matter if we are near or not? we could of taken villages right in the center of them and it would not have been anywhere near you, and you cannot claim the area of a tribe you havent even defeated as your own, right? It would of been a gift and doesn't breach any NAP terms.
I said you were nowhere near ducks. It would have been impossible for you to take villages behind Poker because you wouldn't be able to clear them from such distance and land trains successfully, this statement of yours is a complete nonsense. You can argue that you could have been gifted Ducks villages behind our backs, but I didn't take Mr Bean villages when he offered me them. Or rytasd. This would be a disrespectful play and you understand it as much as we do. However,
clearing and taking villages
inside our core is nowhere close to your provided hypothetical situation.
I know you now want to provide a point that goes around my argument - those few villages I took that were not literally inside our core. This argument does not void anything I said and it is a completely different situation. I took villages 1 field away from me that were much further from SMASH, I cleared them and there was
no agreement (neither official nor mentioned in a chat) that said I can't take the villages. They officially belonged to me because I cleared them and
your opinion does not contradict the facts I provide.
My answers in bold below:
When you guys fought your other enemies that were actually on our FL, we stayed out of your wars and let you have your takes. Then with your war on DO! we have not interfered nor accepted any villages throughout the whole war, even so we had countless offer to take in players or to take their villages just so you dont get them.
As mentioned above, we got countless offers too and stayed away.
Apologies if we expected the same treatment back, you guys refused to hit fellas with us.. then suddenly jump on them to grab villages when we made half of them quit.
We got sniped multiple times proving we didn't hit inactive players and I'm 99% sure that every village we took had at least 1 full def defending it. The jump on Fellas happened to secure a few (10?) villages that would keep you from getting dangerously too close to us or inside our territory. You classed taking 10 villages that were closer to Poker players than any SMASH players from 274(?) total as disrespectful. My opinion is that you were taking the piss because we had every right to take those villages, we cleared them, we were much closer to them than any of you and we respectfully decided to let you have 264 remaining villages, because you actually deserved them.
Dont know if zara filled you in, but we made a deal after you took some of their villages, and after that deal you went on your own accord and took the ones we didnt agree on.. When we approached your council about this, they instantly started changing the deal we already had, and asked for more villages with their only argument that we get the rest of fellas villas anyway.
I changed the deal because you were taking the piss and walking all over us. Deal was made by a council member who did not understand the situation and he did not discuss it with council. You can keep moaning about how a deal is a deal but I can take one sentence from your arguments and use it as a proof that your views are unreliable and stupid, but I don't do it. People make mistakes, that's a human trait and you only push it because you can't think of any other arguments to support your view or disprove our views.
WTF is that? You guys just sat there watching and then when it suited, you just jump in and say "those are ours" - coz we felt like the NAP is not longer valuable, errrrrrm because you guys smashed them, errrrrm, and now we know that their tribe cannot fight back... so we just gonna go for it.
Great logic, I can heard the cog wheels in your brain squeaking as you thought of this.
You are not talking about logic because you don't know what it is, you are talking about views and opinions. As mentioned above, our only intention was to secure the frontline because knowing SMASH, you would have found a reason to take villages inside our core(you did) and make it look honorable and respectful in your eyes.
Yeah, in your eyes you are taking the villages around your border from a tribe and you are as you say it "clearing villages" ... But in our eyes you just went on the freebies knowing full well they arent even gonna defend, I bet you were even shocked when you found they left some troops in them. If you are so great and honorable why haven't you joined in from the start? Or did your brain only came to the realization that we are going to move in next door once you seen fellas fall?
This is a strategy game, same reasons as why we chose to ally with L instead of SMASH. I knew for sure that we would be enemies at some point so we started preparing for the war in the very beginning of the game. Chess vs checkers, thinking 2 moves in front vs 10 moves in front.
And lets not get me started on whats been going down south with your tribe, A-soljah been trying to get around and move into our K constantly.. And then went crying like a little B**** when a rim tribe told him that they will fight him for every village and that they have a relationship with us.
Crying moaning, I don't care about those drama arguments, I work with facts. I know for a fact that YOU told us to stay away from Class because they were your friends while we had no diplomacy with them. This is taking the piss, diplos are here for a reason and people agree to certain terms. You were telling us to stop attacking a tribe we had no relation with.
You weren't that brave back then, were you? With DO! on one side and us on the other, why didnt you engage us? We wanted to drop diplomacy with you back then over all this. Instead you waited and declared on us when you had 3/4 of the map worth of allies surrounding us. Probably expected us to quit as well, or gift you villages?
Chess vs checkers again, you are playing a strategy game, not a mindless arcade. Mad because we built a relationship with another tribe that respected us as much as we respected them.
Well, cannot wait to see how you guys hold up against us when we come for you
There was not a single time I said I will win this world. I never called SMASH worse than Poker because anything can happen in this game and we had a proof of that when one player shifted the world around.