9/11 Conspiracy

DeletedUser

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Who do you think caused 9/11?

How do you interpret the collapse?

Why do think they did this?

Is there a bigger picture?


Discuss.
 

DeletedUser8384

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Probably was intercepted by the CIA but they let it happen. I find it hard to believe that a plan so large as this wouldn't have been infiltrated by the largest intelligence agency in the world.
 

DeletedUser

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Who do you think caused 9/11?

The Government of the great U.S.A

How do you interpret the collapse?

A sign of what depths they will go to killing thousands for money and power.

Why do think they did this?

A governments lust for power and money - through the oil they would recieve in the countries they would invade after blaming the incident on them.


Is there a bigger picture?

Yes. This is just one thing in a long line of incidents by the U.S. Government to get what they want. It's a sign they'd do anything.

Discuss.

It's a horrid act but one committed the the thing that makes the world go around - money.
 

DeletedUser

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Seeing as this is an american conspiracy apparently; do you also believe the attacks in Spain 911 days after the 9/11 bombings were done by the USA? :icon_eek:
 

DeletedUser

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Who do you think caused 9/11? bin laden's gang

How do you interpret the collapse? the towers collapsed after being hit by planes

Why do think they did this? gravity

Is there a bigger picture? always
 

DeletedUser

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Who do you think caused 9/11? Cause? As in, who was the main culprit in destroying the 2 towers? Well the government would have you believe the planes were the cause. As with all conspiracy theories, they have their origins, and are usually based on a sliver of truth. Although 9/11 does seem to have more behind it's conspiracy theories than most other conspiracies. I would wager that the US government did a double bluff, they knew what the terrorists were doing but they purposefully didn't stop them so that they could get something out of it. Most notably a reason for invading the middle east, so Al Qaeda dug themselves a hole there.

How do you interpret the collapse? The collapse was due to the planes, which were being flown by Al Qaeda.

Why do think they did this? Al Qaeda started it? for many reasons, I would first say that Al Qaeda did it as a show of strength to the USA government. They had fallen out of favour and stopped receiving cash flow from USA ever since they stopped being useful. Maybe the USA even tried to have bin laden terminated, who knows the exact story.

Is there a bigger picture? There is always a bigger picture, even when people think they have found the truth, there is another web and another branch of the story.


Discuss.
 

DeletedUser

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Who do you think caused 9/11? bin laden's gang

How do you interpret the collapse? the towers collapsed after being hit by planes

Why do think they did this? gravity

Is there a bigger picture? always

I think this pretty much sums it all up :D
 

DeletedUser

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How do you interpret the collapse? The collapse was due to the planes, which were being flown by Al Qaeda. There are clear videos showing that the tower collapsed in stages - explosions were happening from top to bottom at timed intervals.

Just FYI
 

DeletedUser

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The towers collapsed due the heat of the fire from them exploded planes. Heat is bad :(. At all the other crap, some stupid people did some stupid things with some planes :3.
 

DeletedUser

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Who do you think caused 9/11?

The plane flying into the building and the lack of fire protection of the core is a pretty obvious solution

How do you interpret the collapse?
What? Terrorists attacked and the US wasted over a trillion dollars trying to fix their earlier mistake in Afghanistan

Why do think they did this?
Why who did this? If you thinking the United States government did 9/11 then I re-direct you to the mental asylum

Is there a bigger picture?
No,

No factual evidence has ever linked the United States government to 9/11 and if you think that was the case then you need to see professional help because your either
- Mental
- Or have no intelligence.
 
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DeletedUser

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The towers collapsed due the heat of the fire from them exploded planes. Heat is bad :(. At all the other crap, some stupid people did some stupid things with some planes :3.



The temperatures reached weren't high enough to melt the steel, which was the frame of those towers. Therefore no collapse could have occurred unless additional heating (read: explosives) was added.
 

DeletedUser

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How about looking at it from the supposed conspirators (whether they be government, CIA or whatever other)

They stand to gain more power through fear by helping an organisation that hates them to hit them on their own soil. They gain world sympathy and a little more freedom to act as they choose.

They stand to lose far more. If it was ever discovered and proved someone else was behind it, the reprucussions would be fairly huge. It would take down the government and result in some kind of war crimes trial equivilant. Also the people resposible would become vilified throughout American history.

Also, it would have to be a fairly big conspiracy to make something like that happen so it wouldn't stay secret for long. And you got to consider that people in governement etc are still human. They're not shadowy figures plotting to take over the world. I feel that most would be against blowing up 2 buildings killing about 3000 people.
 

DeletedUser613

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And anyway, they don't exactly need explosions at the base of the towers. Even if they don't completely collapse america is still gonna be like wtf?!? invade
 

DeletedUser

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How about looking at it from the supposed conspirators (whether they be government, CIA or whatever other)

They stand to gain more power through fear by helping an organisation that hates them to hit them on their own soil. They gain world sympathy and a little more freedom to act as they choose. That's what the conspiracy theorists say.

They stand to lose far more. If it was ever discovered and proved someone else was behind it, the reprucussions would be fairly huge. It would take down the government and result in some kind of war crimes trial equivilant. Also the people resposible would become vilified throughout American history. They are the largest intelligence agency in the world. They can shut people up and fabricate evidence.

Also, it would have to be a fairly big conspiracy to make something like that happen so it wouldn't stay secret for long. And you got to consider that people in governement etc are still human. They're not shadowy figures plotting to take over the world. I feel that most would be against blowing up 2 buildings killing about 3000 people. If it was an inside job, it didn't stay secret for too long, did it? The press, for the most part, is controlled by Rupert Murdoch. He can make people believe what he wants them too.
Yes, the government are still human. Hitler was human, so were all of his SS troops and his cabinet. Stalin and Lenin were human. Kim Jong Il is human. Robert Mugabe is human.

All leaders become afraid of loosing their power, so seek for more. Its human nature.

I would wager that the US government did a double bluff, they knew what the terrorists were doing but they purposefully didn't stop them so that they could get something out of it. Most notably a reason for invading the middle east, so Al Qaeda dug themselves a hole there.[/COLOR]
Id go with that, it seems more likely than the US actually orchestrating events.

PS- Im not backing any sides. I'm still completely open minded on it. There hasn't been any 100% definite evidence, but I don't think its beyond Bush's Government to do something like that.
 
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The temperatures reached weren't high enough to melt the steel, which was the frame of those towers. Therefore no collapse could have occurred unless additional heating (read: explosives) was added.

Wrong.

The tower was weakened by being hit by a flipping plane.

After the planes hit the buildings, but before they collapsed, the cores of both towers consisted of three distinct sections. Above and below the impact floors, the cores consisted of what were essentially two rigid boxes; the steel in these sections was undamaged and had undergone no significant heating. The section between them, however, had sustained significant damage and, though they were not hot enough to melt it, the fires were weakening the structural steel. As a result, the core columns were slowly being crushed, sustaining plastic and creep deformation from the weight of higher floors. As the top section tried to move downward, however, the hat truss redistributed the load to the perimeter columns. Meanwhile, the perimeter columns and floors were also being weakened by the heat of the fires, and as the floors began to sag they pulled the exterior walls inwards. In the case of 2 WTC, this caused the eastern face to buckle, transferring its loads back to the failing core through the hat truss and initiating the collapse. In the case of 1 WTC, the south wall later buckled in the same way, and with similar consequences

Steel is not a wonder metal, it can not withstand the amount of damage it sustained.
 

DeletedUser

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Wrong.

The tower was weakened by being hit by a flipping plane.



Steel is not a wonder metal, it can not withstand the amount of damage it sustained.

Excuse me, but heat cannot damage metal unless it melts it... When metals get heated, they expand yes. But unless the melting temperature is reached, they will not melt and therefore don't take any damage from the heat itself. (Unless you're willing to explain how an expanded metal is damaged...)

Yes, they may have been bent and whatevermore by the plane hitting them, but then how come the LOWER part collapsed...The collapse happened some time after the plane hitting the tower. So the tower was still standing for minutes even after the plane hit...
 

DeletedUser

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Blacksmithing.jpg

Heat weakens the structural integrity of metal, making it more malleable. The fuel of the plane caught fire and created varying sources of heat affecting the structural steel of the WTC. Varying temperatures causes significant stress on structural steel which lead to buckling failures.

Upper floors are weakened structurally and the weight of the floors above the steel causes the steel to buckle and collapse. Each layer falls and lands atop the layer below it. This added pressure leads to more heat and more structural damage. As each layer of the WTC collapses, the collapse picks up speed.

Congratulations, you fail to understand basic physics and chemistry. The picture, by the way, is for you to realize that heating up metal in order to weaken it structurally has been known for a few thousand years.
 
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