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I needed this. I always avoided church worlds on .net, so I really have no idea. So thanks to all the people who posted with help stuff here.
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If you launch an attack from a village not under a church's influence during the night bonus the defender would essentialy have 4x the troops 0.0
x2 defenders night bonus and the attacker's strength is .5x
x2 defenders night bonus and the attacker's strength is .5x
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Quick copy and paste for ingame forums converted by [player]Wave[/player].
Instructions: 1)Copy 2)Paste 3) Remove the space of the end of each IMG BB-Code 4)Post into your IG TW Tribal Forums. Cheers Wave.
Sasuke Uzumakii's Church Guide: Here's my guide I made back in the original church world of .net. As far as I'm aware, things aren't different here, and this guide, along with the facts by one of the above poster should be rather informative. I'd hope so anyway Note that the images may not be entirely accurate but are close and give a general idea.
This is, hopefully, a useful and the first guide made on .net regarding churches. It should give you a clearer understanding of the purposes of the church, how to use it strategically in the best possible way and a more detailed and in-depth use of it. Before we start, I'll present you with some simple info on the Church (Given by PP):
Church Point Values:
Level 1: 10 points
Level 2: 2 points
Level 3: 2 points
Church Build Requirements:
Level 5 Headquarters and whatever farm level required to hold the population.
Church Destruction:
Churches can be catapulted but they take significantly more catapults to drop a level than normal buildings.
Church Effect:
All villages that are not contained within a church radius will have all troops' defensive and attack power reduced to 50%.
Church Build Time Factor:
Level 1 = 5:40:00
Level 2 = 6:48:00
Level 3 = 8:09:36
The actual build time is calculated by the following formula:
([build time factor] * 1.05^(-[level of the village headquarters])) / [world speed]
Exception:
There is an exception to the above setup/rules. The very first church that you start with will be a church that has a 6 field radius and is 10 points. This church can not be upgraded at any point. In addition, the original church can't be damaged by catapults.
So you've probably got your 1st village and wondering how to use/what to use the Church for. The church level covers I believe the radius of a level 2 church and can not be upgraded so no problems there. Roughly, A ratio of 2:2:1, Offensive
efensive:Scout/Cats villages is what you should/could be going with as an average player. Others will go for more O whilst others go for more D. It all comes down with personal preference and the way in which you're willing to experiment with the new church feature.
However, 1 in 5 villages having a church at level 3 should be enough in-order to avoid being crippled when/if you lose a church village but not so many you weaken yourself too far (due to a level 3 church taking 12k Population).
I would also advise not increasing your churches level above 1 till you have multiple/1+ village(s) as you can't make your first village Scout/Cats and its radius doesn't matter if it's your 1st village. Anyway, here is the radius of a level 3 church. It covers roughly 17x17 with shaped corners:
http://i32.tinypic.com/6tczvb.png[/img ]
Also, I think it would be important I mention that there are 2 kinds of churches. One of them (the kind you automatically start with in your first village) can only exist in 1 village, similar to a paladin, and cannot be upgraded. This kind of church has an area of influence with a radius of 6 fields(Level 2 radius wise). The other kind, which you can make in any village, is like this:
Level 1: 4 fields radius
Level 2: 6 fields radius
Level 3: 8 fields radius
[img]http://i32.tinypic.com/2jb9jy9.jpg[/img ]
The introduction of the church will alter many players' game play and strategies. Obviously an aggressive strategy where you spread out your starting villages to maximize farming might have to be changed as it will be harder to attack from/defend villages too far from the main village. Also, people aren't going to be able to afford to allocate that much farm space to create church/cat or church/scout villages early on.
This is where Logical Positioning kicks into place. Clustering villages and over-lapping radiuses are far more important now. You will most likely need to pair villages, going for a Defence/Church village next to an Offense village early on. It could possibly mean that taking a smaller village in a tighter cluster might be more beneficial than spreading out too much to take bigger villages that might be outside the influence of the Church, which will affect Offensive players more than defensive. You will have to think very carefully when and where you noble. Nobling too far out could prove to damage you. You may want to analyze your area carefully before deciding. Have a look at this for example:
[img]http://i27.tinypic.com/2wn7msn.png[/img ]
Note: The black circle is another radius. However, it isn't entirely accurate but you get the point; Over-lapping is crucial and will give you an advantage. In the map, you have 5 villages. 2 have churches (level 3). It should be the one in the white square and the one in-between the blue and black circle. As you can see, the over-lapping area is bigger so should you lose either village, you won’t be in a very vulnerable position. Keep this concept going, 5 vills, 2 churches, 10 vills, 4 churches, 15 vills, 6 churches etc etc. I believe the main purpose of this feature is to encourage/increase cluster whoring, making it harder to expand effectively and cause more close range warring.
With your 1st village and the others, later you may want to noble in similar positioning as the below image. It'll allow you to expand as efficient and effective enough without lowering your strength in both offense and defence by 50%. As you can/will be able to see, you can expand further west and east. Same applies with the north and the south.
[img]http://i32.tinypic.com/r8fmrn.png[/img ]
After some thorough discussion, here are some generalized conclusions which should be followed. However, there may be exceptions but here are the rules.
- Do not build churches in offensive villages. You can stack Defence’s but you can't stack nukes. This will be far more beneficial if you use the HC strategy or have a nuke which consists of a decent number of HC allowing you to shift HC/Support quickly between your villages.
- It would be more logical to make a small cluster of vills, make the middle 1 the scout with a level 3 church. Should be self explanatory by now, if not read above again if needs be .
- Scout villages should have level 3 churches. This is generally the rule but an exception of keeping 1 village with the maximum possible scouts would be ideal.
A problem which people may face is that the village which has the most attention/points will most likely have the most defence. However, thinking about it, this opens more tactical options, for example; mass faking on the starting village which removes troops/attention on the others and makes nobling of the other village’s alot easier. A tactic to counter this would be to spend some time, working on a village build which will make all your villages the same. It'll disguise the village your church(es) are in. I'm currently working on builds for:
Offensive Village; No Church
Offensive Village; Nobles
Defensive Village; No Church
Defensive Village; Church
Scout/Cat Village; Church
Scout Village; No Church
This includes not only points but calculating troop counts so you have no troop population remaining. This way you are maxing the efficency of your village whilst disguising them so they all have the same points making it impossible/much harder for your opponent to not only identify your church village but what type of village each on is. Only T*F have/will have access to this info so don't get your e-peen up
To finalize, I'll leave you with an excel image of precise numbers and times of the churches settings to give you a clearer idea of requirements whilst you're reading this.
[img]http://i26.tinypic.com/105bc4g.png[/img ]
A thanks to Wizzydizzy, User Not Found, King Bowsa Koopa and 1-2 more for their input/say in this guide during our Skype conversation(s). I also got into contact with a few German server players and extracted some info from their experience. Although they've only played with Churches with Priests, it's the same concept.
So now, go add this to your tribes forum if you wish, let's increase the quality of world 1 even more than it already is! Thanks for reading, hope you learnt and enjoyed. I certainly did!
Instructions: 1)Copy 2)Paste 3) Remove the space of the end of each IMG BB-Code 4)Post into your IG TW Tribal Forums. Cheers Wave.
Sasuke Uzumakii's Church Guide: Here's my guide I made back in the original church world of .net. As far as I'm aware, things aren't different here, and this guide, along with the facts by one of the above poster should be rather informative. I'd hope so anyway Note that the images may not be entirely accurate but are close and give a general idea.
This is, hopefully, a useful and the first guide made on .net regarding churches. It should give you a clearer understanding of the purposes of the church, how to use it strategically in the best possible way and a more detailed and in-depth use of it. Before we start, I'll present you with some simple info on the Church (Given by PP):
Church Point Values:
Level 1: 10 points
Level 2: 2 points
Level 3: 2 points
Church Build Requirements:
Level 5 Headquarters and whatever farm level required to hold the population.
Church Destruction:
Churches can be catapulted but they take significantly more catapults to drop a level than normal buildings.
Church Effect:
All villages that are not contained within a church radius will have all troops' defensive and attack power reduced to 50%.
Church Build Time Factor:
Level 1 = 5:40:00
Level 2 = 6:48:00
Level 3 = 8:09:36
The actual build time is calculated by the following formula:
([build time factor] * 1.05^(-[level of the village headquarters])) / [world speed]
Exception:
There is an exception to the above setup/rules. The very first church that you start with will be a church that has a 6 field radius and is 10 points. This church can not be upgraded at any point. In addition, the original church can't be damaged by catapults.
So you've probably got your 1st village and wondering how to use/what to use the Church for. The church level covers I believe the radius of a level 2 church and can not be upgraded so no problems there. Roughly, A ratio of 2:2:1, Offensive
efensive:Scout/Cats villages is what you should/could be going with as an average player. Others will go for more O whilst others go for more D. It all comes down with personal preference and the way in which you're willing to experiment with the new church feature. However, 1 in 5 villages having a church at level 3 should be enough in-order to avoid being crippled when/if you lose a church village but not so many you weaken yourself too far (due to a level 3 church taking 12k Population).
I would also advise not increasing your churches level above 1 till you have multiple/1+ village(s) as you can't make your first village Scout/Cats and its radius doesn't matter if it's your 1st village. Anyway, here is the radius of a level 3 church. It covers roughly 17x17 with shaped corners:
http://i32.tinypic.com/6tczvb.png[/img ]
Also, I think it would be important I mention that there are 2 kinds of churches. One of them (the kind you automatically start with in your first village) can only exist in 1 village, similar to a paladin, and cannot be upgraded. This kind of church has an area of influence with a radius of 6 fields(Level 2 radius wise). The other kind, which you can make in any village, is like this:
Level 1: 4 fields radius
Level 2: 6 fields radius
Level 3: 8 fields radius
[img]http://i32.tinypic.com/2jb9jy9.jpg[/img ]
The introduction of the church will alter many players' game play and strategies. Obviously an aggressive strategy where you spread out your starting villages to maximize farming might have to be changed as it will be harder to attack from/defend villages too far from the main village. Also, people aren't going to be able to afford to allocate that much farm space to create church/cat or church/scout villages early on.
This is where Logical Positioning kicks into place. Clustering villages and over-lapping radiuses are far more important now. You will most likely need to pair villages, going for a Defence/Church village next to an Offense village early on. It could possibly mean that taking a smaller village in a tighter cluster might be more beneficial than spreading out too much to take bigger villages that might be outside the influence of the Church, which will affect Offensive players more than defensive. You will have to think very carefully when and where you noble. Nobling too far out could prove to damage you. You may want to analyze your area carefully before deciding. Have a look at this for example:
[img]http://i27.tinypic.com/2wn7msn.png[/img ]
Note: The black circle is another radius. However, it isn't entirely accurate but you get the point; Over-lapping is crucial and will give you an advantage. In the map, you have 5 villages. 2 have churches (level 3). It should be the one in the white square and the one in-between the blue and black circle. As you can see, the over-lapping area is bigger so should you lose either village, you won’t be in a very vulnerable position. Keep this concept going, 5 vills, 2 churches, 10 vills, 4 churches, 15 vills, 6 churches etc etc. I believe the main purpose of this feature is to encourage/increase cluster whoring, making it harder to expand effectively and cause more close range warring.
With your 1st village and the others, later you may want to noble in similar positioning as the below image. It'll allow you to expand as efficient and effective enough without lowering your strength in both offense and defence by 50%. As you can/will be able to see, you can expand further west and east. Same applies with the north and the south.
[img]http://i32.tinypic.com/r8fmrn.png[/img ]
After some thorough discussion, here are some generalized conclusions which should be followed. However, there may be exceptions but here are the rules.
- Do not build churches in offensive villages. You can stack Defence’s but you can't stack nukes. This will be far more beneficial if you use the HC strategy or have a nuke which consists of a decent number of HC allowing you to shift HC/Support quickly between your villages.
- It would be more logical to make a small cluster of vills, make the middle 1 the scout with a level 3 church. Should be self explanatory by now, if not read above again if needs be .
- Scout villages should have level 3 churches. This is generally the rule but an exception of keeping 1 village with the maximum possible scouts would be ideal.
A problem which people may face is that the village which has the most attention/points will most likely have the most defence. However, thinking about it, this opens more tactical options, for example; mass faking on the starting village which removes troops/attention on the others and makes nobling of the other village’s alot easier. A tactic to counter this would be to spend some time, working on a village build which will make all your villages the same. It'll disguise the village your church(es) are in. I'm currently working on builds for:
Offensive Village; No Church
Offensive Village; Nobles
Defensive Village; No Church
Defensive Village; Church
Scout/Cat Village; Church
Scout Village; No Church
This includes not only points but calculating troop counts so you have no troop population remaining. This way you are maxing the efficency of your village whilst disguising them so they all have the same points making it impossible/much harder for your opponent to not only identify your church village but what type of village each on is. Only T*F have/will have access to this info so don't get your e-peen up
To finalize, I'll leave you with an excel image of precise numbers and times of the churches settings to give you a clearer idea of requirements whilst you're reading this.
[img]http://i26.tinypic.com/105bc4g.png[/img ]
A thanks to Wizzydizzy, User Not Found, King Bowsa Koopa and 1-2 more for their input/say in this guide during our Skype conversation(s). I also got into contact with a few German server players and extracted some info from their experience. Although they've only played with Churches with Priests, it's the same concept.
So now, go add this to your tribes forum if you wish, let's increase the quality of world 1 even more than it already is! Thanks for reading, hope you learnt and enjoyed. I certainly did!
DeletedUser
Guest
Thanks, helps me a new player quite abit
DeletedUser2311
Guest
Is this a distinction part. I smelled something.
DeletedUser
Guest
wow.
Nice one
Nice one
DeletedUser
Guest
I'd lie the first edit to be edited icon_razz. I don't agree that moving your first church would be huge waste, not doing so may become a huge waste.
icon_razz. I don't agree that moving your first church would be huge waste, not doing so may become a huge waste.DeletedUser
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I worked that out when the first church world came out, and recently used hiding places as the core in my builds to make ways of hiding each level of church.
Who'd've thought I could just find answers sitting in front of me =/
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Tillyboy said:
This, I believe, is false. I just bashed a barbarian village and the defending troops appear to have fought at full strength, even though it had no church.
Actual Attack: http://uk1.tribalwars.co.uk/public_report/efbc55a17732b3b0555175928d7a46fc
Code:
qete ([000001] - First) attacks Barbarian village (528|505)
Sep 09, 2009 09:14:01
The attacker has won
Luck (from attacker's point of view)
-1.3% Misfortune
luck
Morale: 100%
Attacker: qete
Village: [000001] - First (533|506) K55
Quantity: 0 0 6081 0 0 2737 200 0 219 0 1 0
Losses: 0 0 230 0 0 109 7 0 8 0 0 0
Belief: Your troops were religious.
Defender: unknown
Village: Barbarian village (528|505) K55
Quantity: 458 537 0 0 153 706 0 0 0 0 1 0
Losses: 458 537 0 0 153 706 0 0 0 0 1 0
Haul: 62.038 62.038 62.038 186114/278500
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 1Simulated Battle with religious defender
Code:
Attacker
Units: 0 0 6081 0 0 2737 200 0 219 0 1 0 822.705 519.950 1.001.330 19.134
Losses: 0 0 285 0 0 135 9 0 10 0 0 0 39.225 24.950 48.500 920
Defender
Units: 458 537 0 0 153 706 0 0 0 0 1 0 134.930 108.120 221.770 4.135
Losses: 458 537 0 0 153 706 0 0 0 0 1 0 134.930 108.120 221.770 4.135
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 1Simulated Battle without religious defender
Code:
Attacker
Units: 0 0 6081 0 0 2737 200 0 219 0 1 0 822.705 519.950 1.001.330 19.134
Losses: 0 0 102 0 0 48 3 0 4 0 0 0 14.070 8.960 17.330 329
Defender
Units: 458 537 0 0 153 706 0 0 0 0 1 0 134.930 108.120 221.770 4.135
Losses: 458 537 0 0 153 706 0 0 0 0 1 0 134.930 108.120 221.770 4.135
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 1
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if you have a village in an overlapped area like i have it shows that the belief level is 3 does that add to my troops defence offence % or is it just coincidental?
DeletedUser
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It won't add to your Offence or Defence, it's just coincidental i guess.
Some people Overlap church radii in case of a church being catted, but there is no bonus in fighting.
DeletedUser
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I overlap slightly so I don't leave these little non-believing areas.
DeletedUser
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thanks guys churches are so confusing lol
