Communism. Your views?

[DeletedUser]

Doesn't need to put effort in? :lol:
Where did you get that idea from, a binman could put in just as many hours and effort into his job than a lawyer.

So because this binman isn't as smart, he should have a worse quality of life?

You have clearly never had binmen on strike near you before and the implications of it.
Everyone in society is important or else it won't function. Like a truck driver, transports goods from places.
Many people would say, oh hes just a truck driver, but somebody has to do the job. If nobody did it it wouldn't get done.
IMO I'd say there are pleant of lawyers who work nowhere near as hard as most binmens and yet still get paid substantially more.
Lower paid jobs are the vital jobs, things that make society run. Just because you see yourself as above them somehow because you are smarter doesn't mean it is right.

That is bull.

You honestly believe that binmen work as hard as lawyers to get to where they are at. I'm not talking about in their jobs, I'm talking about exams, qualifications, because everything you've said there pretty much sticks 2 fingers up to those who ACTUALLY WORK in school and don't muck about and skip lessons, or not revise/do homework.

To get paid substantially more is what we deserve (saying as a potential pharmacist). Lower paid jobs are vital to an extent, but can you honestly say that a binman is more important than a doctor? No, because it's rubbish. If there were no binmen then people would just take a long trip and dump their rubbish somewhere else. No doctors? massive amount of death and disease all over the world.

If you go through university to do a PROFESSION, then you generally deserve the pay you get. Business is where you get lucky, and there are plenty of jobs out there that require higher intelligence but don't pay very well.. like civil engineering and scientists.

So in conclusion.... Smart people > Dumb people.

 

[DeletedUser613]

That is bull.

You honestly believe that binmen work as hard as lawyers to get to where they are at. I'm not talking about in their jobs, I'm talking about exams, qualifications, because everything you've said there pretty much sticks 2 fingers up to those who ACTUALLY WORK in school and don't muck about and skip lessons, or not revise/do homework.

To get paid substantially more is what we deserve (saying as a potential pharmacist). Lower paid jobs are vital to an extent, but can you honestly say that a binman is more important than a doctor? No, because it's rubbish. If there were no binmen then people would just take a long trip and dump their rubbish somewhere else. No doctors? massive amount of death and disease all over the world.

If you go through university to do a PROFESSION, then you generally deserve the pay you get. Business is where you get lucky, and there are plenty of jobs out there that require higher intelligence but don't pay very well.. like civil engineering and scientists.

So in conclusion.... Smart people > Dumb people.

I am talking about in their jobs. Somebody could still work extremely hard in school and get D's while somebody else glides along and gets A's.
Not all people on lower paid jobs skipped lessons and school, everyone is gifted differently and its not always intellectually despite your narrow minded thoughts.

Its what you deserve? Because you have had a better start in life than others you deserve better money? BS. You don't DESERVE anything, just because you happen to be gifted in an intellectual way. If you however, do something good with that intellect then great but if you use it to pretend you are somehow superior than people without it then your just a pompous idiot.
Lol, the thing is they wouldn't because some people have got it in to their heads that they are "above" such menial tasks and jobs and probably wouldn't bother their arse.
NOWHERE did I say a binman is more important than a doctor, they both play their roles in society, I would think neither is better than the other and one small change in their start in life could have easily switched their roles.
I have great respect for doctors, however its the people above in the administration side that just suck all the money away from the jobs that matter while they get their massive pensions and bonuses for putting in squat all work. Its generally a completely top heavy society.
Nurses for another example don't get paid nearly enough because money is being thrown at these highly paid executives so they can buy their fancy houses and cars, it's completely ridiculous.

Intelligence doesn't make you a better person whatsoever, and looking down on people for their lack thereof makes you a much worse person.

 

[DeletedUser]

You honestly believe that binmen work as hard as lawyers to get to where they are at. I'm not talking about in their jobs, I'm talking about exams, qualifications, because everything you've said there pretty much sticks 2 fingers up to those who ACTUALLY WORK in school and don't muck about and skip lessons, or not revise/do homework.

So binmen don't work hard in school? binmen don't have as many qualifications as lawyers but they just don't lie around and do jack all during their education.

To get paid substantially more is what we deserve (saying as a potential pharmacist). Lower paid jobs are vital to an extent, but can you honestly say that a binman is more important than a doctor? No, because it's rubbish. If there were no binmen then people would just take a long trip and dump their rubbish somewhere else. No doctors? massive amount of death and disease all over the world.

So everyone would take their rubbish to the dump? I think you missing out certain people
- People who don't have cars, you can't exactly take rubbish on public transport
- Old people
- People who can't be assed.

Also your thinking that everyone has large refuse sites near their house, also the disease and infestation that results from rubbish lying around on open streets.

If you go through university to do a PROFESSION, then you generally deserve the pay you get. Business is where you get lucky, and there are plenty of jobs out there that require higher intelligence but don't pay very well.. like civil engineering and scientists.

So in conclusion.... Smart people > Dumb people

What would smart people do without these 'dumb' people, they would not have clean streets and other important services these people provide to the community. You can't have one without the other. I'd prefer to call them the working class not just place everyone taking low-skilled jobs as having low intelligence.

 

[DeletedUser3312]

So binmen don't work hard in school? binmen don't have as many qualifications as lawyers but they just don't lie around and do jack all during their education.

This is so stupid for you to say. The answer perhaps is yes, maybe they do work hard but that's not how society sees it! That's why communism wouldn't work!

See the bigger picture for christ's sake.

 

[DeletedUser613]

This is so stupid for you to say. The answer perhaps is yes, maybe they do work hard but that's not how society sees it! That's why communism wouldn't work!

See the bigger picture for christ's sake.

When did you start speaking for society?

 

[DeletedUser]

This is so stupid for you to say. The answer perhaps is yes, maybe they do work hard but that's not how society sees it! That's why communism wouldn't work!

See the bigger picture for christ's sake.

I was not talking about communism. Why would communism not work because society values it's Binmen as members of their local community? I'm not talking about Binman being paid the same as lawyers, infact I already told you that's not the case even in a communist system. I was talking about respecting employed people no matter what job they have.

 

[DeletedUser]

The point is, intelligence is not all about genetics. Nature and Nurture plays a large part in everything, and you're right. If a bin man had a different start in life he MIGHT be a doctor now.

But.. after having been to an inner city comprehensive I know there are people out there that deserve exactly what they get in life. There are people who are smart but throw it away because they "can't be assed," there are people who struggle and are not given the right encouragement and so end up skipping because they're utterly confused with what is happening in school and find it hard to concentrate.

Now, on the other hand.. they have no excuse. There are 100% more opportunities for encouragement for lower intelligence than there is for higher intelligence. They get extra help, extra support assistants, extra time.. which neglects most other pupils. After seeing this first hand it's natural to develop some hatred rather like a lonely older child would resent their baby sibling because of all the attention they're getting.

My point being, it's a dog eat dog world. Everything you say about a bin man having a slightly different upbringing or slightly different parents could also be said for a child in Africa who is starving right now through no fault of their own. The people who really deserve to be praised in life are those with obstacles in their way but battle through life, who face it head on and blast through it on their own without encouragement, without support and end up being successful. Which is why these "rags to riches" tales can be so inspiring.

 

[DeletedUser3312]

When did you start speaking for society?

I'm apart of it? :icon_neutral:
When did you last see Lawyers appreciating Bin men? or Bin men appreciating Lawyers.

It's class gap. Higher class, middle class, working class. Yes, it's still there.
In many ways class's cannot merge together.

I was not talking about communism. Why would communism not work because society values it's Binmen as members of their local community? I'm not talking about Binman being paid the same as lawyers, infact I already told you that's not the case even in a communist system. I was talking about respecting employed people no matter what job they have.

No, that's not the case. It's only the case in Chinese communism. Which isn't really communism. The Chinese are a bit different like that.

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[DeletedUser]

I'm apart of it? :icon_neutral:
When did you last see Lawyers appreciating Bin men? or Bin men appreciating Lawyers.

It's class gap. Higher class, middle class, working class. Yes, it's still there.
In many ways class's cannot merge together.


No, that's not the case. It's only the case in Chinese communism. Which isn't really communism. The Chinese are a bit different like that.

Edited.

You really have no idea what your talking about.

 

[DeletedUser3312]

You really have no idea what your talking about.

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership of the means of production and the end of wage labour and private property.[1] The exact definition of communism varies and it is commonly used interchangeably with socialism, however, communist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to communism.


A variety of different forms of communism have developed, each based upon the ideas of different political theorists, usually as additions or interpretations of various forms of Marxism, the collective philosophies of Karl Marx.[2] Marxism-Leninism is the synthesis of Vladimir Lenin's contributions to Marxism, such as how a revolutionary party should be organised; Trotskyism is Leon Trotsky's conception of Marxism and Maoism is Mao Tse Tung's interpretation of Marxism to suit the conditions of China at that time.

Do you?

 

[DeletedUser]

You really have no idea what your talking about.

I think he made some valid points there.

The chinese brand of communism is certainly very different.

And society does look up to sklled workers more, when's the last time you heard someone say "I want to be a binman when I grow up!"?

 

[DeletedUser]

I think he made some valid points there.

The chinese brand of communism is certainly very different.

And society does look up to sklled workers more, when's the last time you heard someone say "I want to be a binman when I grow up!"?

Chinese communism is very different as many countries have their own ideas on communism however a high ranking head of a Chinese company does not receive the same amount of money as a trash collector.

 

[DeletedUser613]

And society does look up to sklled workers more, when's the last time you heard someone say "I want to be a binman when I grow up!"?

Capitalist society, that is.

 

[DeletedUser]

in my eyes china is completely the opposite of communism,there's private property,private property everywhere
second,the gap between the rich and the poor,at least by my reckoning is very large(why do you think economic growth is so fast?) and equality is one of the key foundations of communism.while over the last 10 or so years the government has said they are 'striving for social stability' i just dont see that happening - the only thing commie about china is the shady and authoritarian nature of its government
on the other hand i dont ever see china implementing true marxism - you cant please everyone,and in china's case you cant please over a billion people.

 

[DeletedUser613]

Soon China will have massive problems. It's one child policy has caused a generation of predominately males, because when many people found they had a female baby they aborted it or gave it away. The problem will be when they grow old without getting married or having kids and have to rely on the state and even the ones who have had 1 kid may still have to rely on the state. Has potential to slow china's growth.

 

[DeletedUser]

Capitalist society, that is.

thats true, but I'm pretty sure there is at least a little bit of ambition in communist societies

 

[DeletedUser]

Do you?

Wow, well done, you can copypaste part of a wiki article, that must mean you completely understand everything you are talking about. Here, have a carrot then sit in the corner over there where you belong.

There are a lot more interpretations and forms of Communism than you can briefly read up on in a ten minute session on wikipedia.

 

[DeletedUser613]

thats true, but I'm pretty sure there is at least a little bit of ambition in communist societies

Its for a more centralized and group ambition rather than personal ambition, seems alot more healthy imo

 

[DeletedUser]

Its for a more centralized and group ambition rather than personal ambition, seems alot more healthy imo

Group ambitions good, but its not really a human characteristic. Be nice if in the future we did work for the good of the whole but todays society is mainly made up of personal ambition (but it does give people a big incentive which can benefit others)

 

[DeletedUser8384]

I think we need a large welfare state, not to punish the rich drastically, but to do the best to make the gap between smaller, even if that means taxing the rich more. The rich should be taxed enough to enough to help the poor, but not too much to not make it worth being rich.

I know socialist ideas are a bit last year, but this is my belief.