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[DeletedUser4753]

Aha thanks for the Internet slang lesson , i had to google op......

Lol mangolais don't argue with the dude who's guide i advised

 

[DeletedUser11418]

Aha thanks for the Internet slang lesson , i had to google op......

Lol mangolais don't argue with the dude who's guide i advised

Im sorry about that, so back to the point, ive just read your guide nauzhror on how to startup, and i have a few questions. In stage 6 when you start rushing your HQ to 10, to get it constantly upgrading is by being lucky enough to get full hauls from a barb just touching your village. The other question is, as soon as we get 50lc, we continue farming with it, and make more? How can the resources that are hauled be enough to pay a constant axe/lc queue, and some buildings here and there?

Sorry , just tryin to learn how to play the game

 

[DeletedUser4753]

Your not going to be farming g just 1 barb touching your village, with spears and axe split you can certainly farm every barb in your church unless thier so plneriful you get full hauls from the closest ones, but yea farm any barb within church and further should you need to with you initial spear/axe combo. Its not luck its a barb generates xxxx per hour all your doing is stealing said resources.

As for 50 lc you need to farm efficiently 50 lc if farmed in a poor manner will not sustain everything producing.
50 lc some times a touch more (depends on unit speed) used effectively will give.you farm more res than inefficient farming, and whilst your lc when constantly really rioting you get more and more res. One thing to not is at this stage your stable should not have picked up any levels higher than 3 and your barracks should be still 5, low.level production buildings at 24/7 is better than higher levels with breaks.

 

[DeletedUser4753]

http://forum.tribalwars.co.uk/showthread.php?20936-Economy-and-basics-Concept

I better explain here,

 

[DeletedUser11418]

Your not going to be farming g just 1 barb touching your village, with spears and axe split you can certainly farm every barb in your church unless thier so plneriful you get full hauls from the closest ones, but yea farm any barb within church and further should you need to with you initial spear/axe combo. Its not luck its a barb generates xxxx per hour all your doing is stealing said resources.

As for 50 lc you need to farm efficiently 50 lc if farmed in a poor manner will not sustain everything producing.
50 lc some times a touch more (depends on unit speed) used effectively will give.you farm more res than inefficient farming, and whilst your lc when constantly really rioting you get more and more res. One thing to not is at this stage your stable should not have picked up any levels higher than 3 and your barracks should be still 5, low.level production buildings at 24/7 is better than higher levels with breaks.

Totaly agree with that. Thanks for your awesome guide you linked me just now!!!, btw this one says in the end that you are asking to read your other guide. Could you kindly link me your guide please?

 

[DeletedUser4753]

You would start with a small force 3-7 lc with a scout which will provide a report you can calculate how man lc to take the resources but with no waste, if you havent got scouts whilst farming with your 50 just farm with small waves all the time.

 

[DeletedUser11418]

You would start with a small force 3-7 lc with a scout which will provide a report you can calculate how man lc to take the resources but with no waste, if you havent got scouts whilst farming with your 50 just farm with small waves all the time.

About sending scouts alongisde with 3-7 lc. Personaly, i would send x number of lc needed to empty the wherehouse at the time alongside with 1 scout to barbs only. If we are talking about players like us, after the BP is done, we scout them first, and after send them with 5+ scouts depending on how many scouts the defender has right?

 

[Nauzhror]

Im sorry about that, so back to the point, ive just read your guide nauzhror on how to startup, and i have a few questions. In stage 6 when you start rushing your HQ to 10, to get it constantly upgrading is by being lucky enough to get full hauls from a barb just touching your village. The other question is, as soon as we get 50lc, we continue farming with it, and make more? How can the resources that are hauled be enough to pay a constant axe/lc queue, and some buildings here and there?

Sorry , just tryin to learn how to play the game

During BP I usually farm at least 15-20 different barbs (all at the same time, not in a rotating fashion), usually farming well past the edges of my 15x15, how far depends on length of BP and other things, but I'd guess 21x21 or 23x23 is the average size I'd farm during BP. It doesn't really require luck when farming that many barbs. Farming really isn't about the size of your hauls, it's much moreso about the quantity.

Once you have lc, never stop making them, ever. I'd just guess that around the time you have 50 is when you will be able to afford to make them and other things at the same time.

Priorities should always be:

lc > axes > other stuff

or, more vaguely:

lc > barracks troops > other stuff, since you can do lc/spear and do just fine.

Your not going to be farming g just 1 barb touching your village, with spears and axe

Spears and swords are almost always a better route than spears and axes. Skipping the axe research cost can let you get to lc much faster. The guide you referenced suggested axes, but it was written specifically for my tribemates on W38, which was 10-tech. On 10-tech worlds sword research isn't free, and all troops are cheaply researched to level 1 so the benefits axes outweigh those of swords whereas on a typical world I do not at all believe that to be the case.

and after send them with 5+ scouts depending on how many scouts the defender has right

It's much better to only farm barbs and players that have already quit, not people that are still playing and growing.

Clearing someone and then having them repeatedly try to rebuild while you try to farm them is incredibly counterproductive.

The guide I wrote for startup was very much well-intentioned, but it was written years ago - W38 opened May 2009, and it was written specifically for tribemates on that world. The way I play startup has changed a lot since then. Partially because I've experimented and found things that work better, and also because the game has changed a lot since then - quests in particular changed the way startup should be played a lot.

 

[DeletedUser4753]

Time for a updated guide then nauz

yea the quests throw things way off, I often area providing go not a lot into mines at all on a pally world and go straight for 1/1/1 statue then spears, but the resource rewards throw it a tad due to the initial res influx, be interesting to see how flags gained on previous worlds can be used best, Im thinking day 1 "production" flag, whilst spears "hauls", early lc "hauls" then at some point swapping "hauls" for "recruit speed" perhaps, be interesting.

As nauz said forget the opposing active players, you beat them by taking the resources they are attempting to take, if every barb withing xx fields of your village is a good farm for you and a terrible farm for other people, who is going to grow more?

You can saves these people for noble targets or take your pick and clear later down the line, but pre 500-1k lc barbs and quitters is plenty, infact often my first clear will be to noble someone.

 

[Nauzhror]

infact often my first clear will be to noble someone.

I don't think it's ever been my "first" clear, but it's often my first big clear. ie. I'll scout people, and if I see 20 spears with a full warehouse and I have 100+ axes, they're getting cleared. But that's because at that point it costs me like 5 axes tops to clear them.

 

[DeletedUser11418]

During BP I usually farm at least 15-20 different barbs (all at the same time, not in a rotating fashion), usually farming well past the edges of my 15x15, how far depends on length of BP and other things, but I'd guess 21x21 or 23x23 is the average size I'd farm during BP. It doesn't really require luck when farming that many barbs. Farming really isn't about the size of your hauls, it's much moreso about the quantity.

Once you have lc, never stop making them, ever. I'd just guess that around the time you have 50 is when you will be able to afford to make them and other things at the same time.

Priorities should always be:

lc > axes > other stuff

or, more vaguely:

lc > barracks troops > other stuff, since you can do lc/spear and do just fine.

To farm that number of barbs in the begining you are just spliting your spears with a few swords or axes to escort them and send them in small numbers so it covers all barbs in your area, groups small enough, that the barb will never go empty, nor full, its constantly taking the same as it produces ,

im playing W64 while testing this, its the 2nd day, hauled around 12k resources or around 28 times, i have about 70 spears 10 sw and 10 axes, i could split into groups of 5 spears 2 axe, or with swords to villages without walls.
Atm i got HQ 10, smithy 4, 8/6/4 wood/clay/iron, barracks 1, farm is 2, wherehouse 3, wall 1 because 1 quest gives the resources back

There are aprox 10 villages from players that quit, and 2 barbs, and this is 2nd day im playing on this world.
Troops are constantly moving in and out with resources from my village. I will try to split my armie in smaller numbers, so that its almost impossible for a group of units to come back without a ´full haul´

 

[Nauzhror]

To farm that number of barbs in the begining you are just spliting your spears with a few swords or axes to escort them and send them in small numbers so it covers all barbs in your area, groups small enough, that the barb will never go empty, nor full, its constantly taking the same as it produces ,

That's the hope anyway. Usually they go empty due to other people farming, but even then I'd rather get 10 hauls that look like this:

Haul: 147/170

Than one of these:

147/1700

im playing W64 while testing this, its the 2nd day, hauled around 12k resources or around 28 times, i have about 70 spears 10 sw and 10 axes, i could split into groups of 5 spears 2 axe, or with swords to villages without walls.
Atm i got HQ 10, smithy 4, 8/6/4 wood/clay/iron, barracks 1, farm is 2, wherehouse 3, wall 1 because 1 quest gives the resources back

When you get 20 swords you get 10 more free. The lowest troopcount I'd debate having when going for lc is 80 sp, 30 sw, 10 axe. That results in:

5 sp/3 sw * 10
2 axe/6 sp * 5
It's usually worth getting 9/8/6 mines before going for stable as well due to the quest reward for doing so.

 

[DeletedUser11418]

got about 70sp 10sw 10axe, i might recruit 10 more swords to get the 10 extra from the quest + 10 spears as you said above. Should have done that before.

So
To do list:
- Mines 9/8/6 - (8/6/4)
- HQ 10 - Done
- Smithy 5 - (4)
- Barracks 5 - (1)
- Stables 3 - (0)
- Research LC - not done

 

[DeletedUser4753]

don;t think ive gone with less than 100 before, though perhaps conditions reliant could work.

 

[DeletedUser4753]

Doing what your doing will give you a good idea of the idea you try to follow at the start, then theres like the ordering of things to maximize efficiency of hq time.

But im sure even before lc you can feel the effect of a sharper start than just mine whoring

 

[DeletedUser11418]

Doing what your doing will give you a good idea of the idea you try to follow at the start, then theres like the ordering of things to maximize efficiency of hq time.

But im sure even before lc you can feel the effect of a sharper start than just mine whoring

true , a good start is half way done in the world

 

[Nauzhror]

don;t think ive gone with less than 100 before, though perhaps conditions reliant could work.

I occasionally will make troops non-stop all the way to lc. It really depends, lc rushing or reaching lc late can work well.

As an example on W63 I left BP at rank 550. I had a terrible area. Most people in my area would have minewhored I would wager.

I didn't, I made nonstop troops, and couldn't afford to do much else so left BP without a stable, but with the most barracks troops of any account. It panned out wonderfully once my neighbors left BP. I shot from rank 550 to rank 1 in 48 hours.

 

[DeletedUser11418]

Atm, ive been farming these villages, and i am not getting any iron at all, are these inactives lazy enough not to build their mines? How would you do it in this situation? level iron mine up to 13?

 

[DeletedUser4753]

The spear cost should balance your iron the other way, they may have clicked lvl 1 wood lvl 1 clay and ceased to re log :/

 

[DeletedUser11418]

The spear cost should balance your iron the other way, they may have clicked lvl 1 wood lvl 1 clay and ceased to re log :/

maybe thats it , nice candy there, i love those, i miss it so much
allso one thing is, i sometimes go to sleep and send some more hauls, and in morning the wherehouse is full at level 5, so i think i would get it to 6-7 before stables