Rate the Top 20 Players

DeletedUser

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Ijje said:
No. 8, 12 and 19 for the win.
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Cheers Ijje ^_^


3 EstoyLoco - Played W18 with him, enjoyed it and he's a very good player
8 Pink Pony - <3 LC, might stay up there, being abit harsh on himself :D
12 Fear and Loathing - Surprising myself =/
19 NameChanged - <3 Very good player I know, if he stays he won't be moving from this top 20 D:


Just a select few that I can comment on
 

DeletedUser

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10 Blue Hunger - seems like a guy who knows what he's about.
14 Fear and Loathing - <3 Great player and person, hopefully he'll stick around so we can spam these forums together!
 

DeletedUser723

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Grunthor said:
ODA top 20 is more important, agreed
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No, it really isn't. top 20 points is a much better gauge on how well a player is doing as a high oda means you've killed more than you need to from my experience. Eventually a high ODA is expected in 1-2 months, but even then I'd bet on the #1 ranked player having a bigger and better army than the #1 ranked ODA player if the latter was say ranked 10, plus the potential to build units quickly is almost important to maintain momentum. As afterall these two things are the game at it's most basic level without all the skill based things such as dodging/sniping/sending 100ms noble trains etc
 

DeletedUser

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Krono5 said:
No, it really isn't. top 20 points is a much better gauge on how well a player is doing as a high oda means you've killed more than you need to from my experience. Eventually a high ODA is expected in 1-2 months, but even then I'd bet on the #1 ranked player having a bigger and better army than the #1 ranked ODA player if the latter was say ranked 10, plus the potential to build units quickly is almost important to maintain momentum. As afterall these two things are the game at it's most basic level without all the skill based things such as dodging/sniping/sending 100ms noble trains etc
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At this point I'd happily rather be the #1 ODA then #1 in points (hypothetically since I'm neither right now).

At this point, top 20 suggests to me that some of the players are point-whoring. Notice I didn't say all. You don't make it to top 20 ODA this early (most likely) by point-whoring.

A high oda right now suggests that players around that player are being farmed, and as such, give more ability to grow more quickly than someone who has built useless buildings to get their point total up.

We obviously don't see eye to eye, and I'm not speaking in absolutes, but I can tell you as someone who's been top 20 in points and top 20 in oda (higher but I don't want to spoil any mysteries for my friends I'm smurfing for), ODA is a better metric for player skill.
 

DeletedUser

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As much as it's easy to see you finding comfort in thinking the top 20 must be pointwhores, I'll bring you to the realisation that past the 300 point stage, point whoring is a distant feature. Krono5 is spot on. I would bet most who have cleared villages to gain ODA already don't have the troops to farm their 13x13 emptied villages at this stage anyway, whilst their top 20 rank counterparts have stables, scouts and are now pumping out the LC to further cement their position. Knowing my position (with 0 OD), and spoken to others in my position, knowing how much they have, I know what position I'd rather be right now.
 

DeletedUser

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Grunthor said:
I don't really know why you would waste your time making a strawman when its so obviously not what I said
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Lol, technicalities, either way, your point is the same. You'd rather be first ODA than first rank you said.
 

DeletedUser

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Its not a technicality. I said that some of the top 20 players are point-whores. Not all. I never disputed that I'd rather be first in ODA than first rank at this point. That doesn't prove that I said all people in the top 20 are point whores though.
 

DeletedUser

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Grunthor said:
Its not a technicality. I said that some of the top 20 players are point-whores. Not all. I never disputed that I'd rather be first in ODA than first rank at this point. That doesn't prove that I said all people in the top 20 are point whores though.
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It is a technicality, because the essence of your argument remains the same. But more importantly, how would people, point whore their way to the top 20 at this stage?
 

DeletedUser

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Blue Hunger said:
It is a technicality, because the essence of your argument remains the same. But more importantly, how would people, point whore their way to the top 20 at this stage?
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The essence of my argument does not remain the same. If you can't see the difference, then I feel no need to explain why they are different, as I've already put it in writing twice.

Use your imagination as to how someone could get to the top 20 at this stage. We'll see how things pan out down the road.
 

DeletedUser723

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As someone who's been top 1 over a sustained period in both ODA and points simultaneously I can assure you after around 350 points it's practically impossible to maintain a high points rank without a considerable army to farm with, maybe with the excetion of some worlds that have had a serious void in talent. Although saying that my experience is more with non-bonus village worlds and an excellent location can do wonders where the luck of the barb village spawns can greatly help. So I remain to be proved wrong.

However those who truely excel will maintain high points no matter what as when you have superior barracks/stables you can build troops alot faster so in 3 weeks time when people have nobles I wouldn't be surprised to see people with 3k+ axes, 2k+ lc in the top 20, whereas those with high ODA's early generally get them by losing their troops and won't have anywhere near that. But when someone has a much bigger offence than everyone surroundng them can deal with then those players will start to climb the ODA rankings which is a natural side effect, but ODA is by no means a good thing even then as the more you kill, the more you lose.

I'd much rather have 0 ODA and a larger full farm, than 800 ODA having just lost my Army in killing that much, which I know for a fact atleast some people in the top 20 ODA have done. One can farm sufficiently enough to sustain oneself without clearing everything around them as there's many weak targets.

The one point I will agree on though is that it is not as clear cut as that and you need to take everything into consideration when judging someones attributes, however I'd always prefer to be the guy with more troops and troop production potential ;)
 

DeletedUser

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Well put Krono I respect that argument much more than semantics ;)
 

DeletedUser

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3 EstoyLoco - Saw somewhere on .net good player
8 Pink Pony - Also good player.
 

DeletedUser

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Well... ODA is not a goal but should be the result of intelligently usage of y our army... Having troops is one thing, but knowing how to use it is another... How many world did I see with players having full farms of offensive troops and not using any.. claiming barbs and such..

Although using prematurly your troops is not good neither.. you better grow till few hundred axes before swinging... will be much more useful.. its all a matter of which neighbors you have or how many farms you need to build yourself...

Considering I am going from #1 to #2 spot for sure I did have to clear my area from possible incommings.. It had 2 useful purposes :

1- Clear potential threats
2- Create new farms as my amount of troops is getting higher, I can do more farming...

I don't see a top player surviving nicely on the long term without having the ODA that comes with it at some point..

And to answer another point someone brought up... Of course it is hard to be in top 20 without any troops... farming is a too huge advantage in a ratio 1 world. Although not everyone in top 20 have the same amount of troops and prolly many other players between rank 21 and 1000 have more troops than some in Top 20 :)

Its for you to risk hitting them and finding out :D

Regards
Estoy
 

DeletedUser

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18 LolQue? He made some mistakes in the beginnings, but now he is back on track. I think he will amaze soon with his uber skills of recruiting co players with experience. :icon_twisted:
 

DeletedUser

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Fear and Loathing said:
Cheers Ijje ^_^


3 EstoyLoco - Played W18 with him, enjoyed it and he's a very good player
8 Pink Pony - <3 LC, might stay up there, being abit harsh on himself :D
12 Fear and Loathing - Surprising myself =/
19 NameChanged - <3 Very good player I know, if he stays he won't be moving from this top 20 D:


Just a select few that I can comment on
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This man is a true pointwhore.
 

DeletedUser

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yes we do sorry you only came third but i gave you the top spot after thats just as good :)
 
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