Starting up in a good way

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Hello fellow tribal wars players, im mangolais, i have already asked a few things about the game in these forums and here i come again, after playing on diferent worlds a diferent way of starting up from 1 to 500 points with and without church.

1 - Due to the new tribal wars mission system, which i like alot, in my opinion changes dramaticly the way we start. When we build the barracks, we get 10 spears and 10 swords as a reward, i think that instead of building the pits to 5/3/1 before the barracks , we should build the HQ to 3, and barracks, and start sending the spears with the swords to the nearest barbs, after that we build the statue and only after the statue(as soon as its built we queue the paladin to send imediatly to our nearest farm as soon as he is ready) we build the pits.

2 - Another big problem i have when a world is born, and when you play in the core, the barbs after 2-3 hauls, due to alot of competition(sometimes there are more than 10 active players all facing together with 1 or 2 barbs in the middle, the hauls drop to almost zero resources, like 0, 1/1/1, and when 3 or 4 players are trying to take the resources, it makes farming useless, and therefore we cant build any decent light cavlary or axes. What should we do if this happens?

3 - One other thing i don't know for sure is, should we build scouts before we start building and light cav and farming barbs with them than building scouts to scout everyone in our 7x7 or 14x14?

4 - When should we start recruiting axes constantly? Because i came at the point where i had 247 points, with level 1 stables, and 75 spears + 15 axemen + paladin + 10 swords. 10 spears and 10 swords were from the mission, and i use the axes to escort the spears, in 3 diferent groups depending on the resources im getting, for example, a barb which has alot of resources, i could divide it in either 35 spears, or 15 spears and 3 axes, or even 5 spears and 2 axes to micro farm if needed.

5 - In all the worlds i played starting from 1 to 300 or 1 to 500 points only, i have used killer gorillas startup guide, which seems quite good, it says to get around 180 spears and 36 axes to escort the spears(12 groups of 15/3 spear/axe)
in my opinion i wouldnt make that many farming groups if i had like 3 or 4 farms around me, in this case i would get around 5 groups only.
When exactly do we start building axes with lc together? and the HQ? i think we should keep recruiting lc till its at a reasonable number, enough to farm everything in our 14x14, as nauhz recommended, 50lc is enough sending 5 lc to each or even 1 or 2 to each . No player will be able to get the light cavlary and axes and also HQ running 24/7 unless there is alot of barbs around and no competition.

KillerGorilla's startup guide:
http://forum.tribalwars.co.uk/showthread.php?11081-KillerGorilla-s-startup-guide

Thank you for taking your time to read all of it, sorry for the wall of text, i tried to be as clear as possible,
 

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1. Aye start up is skew wid with quests, that said, once developed the right path through buildings and quests you can still power on.
Ill Show my preferred order at bottom of the post, however i would disagree going 1/1/1 then barracks, reason being is the second quest for troops is faster achievable i do believe if you delay barracks.

2., if im playing from the off of a new world, ill send 10sp/10sw at closest barb, if not i split immediately. with initial 10sp/10sw you can make 5 groups, so whilst usual idiots are firing 1 wave a time and hauling
13/13/13 with a potential of (off top of my head) 130/130/130, so 10% efficiency,
where as you have 5x 13/13/13 out of a possible 26/26/26, 50% efficiency (not to mention more chances to hit more full barbs)
So yea split early, farm as best you can, you cannot expect to farm well, but can even at that stage get your nose infront.

3. well personally i get to stable, go straight to lvl 3, research lc, begin recruiting them, and in the mean time research scouts, (to get 10 free from quest) which also unlocks lc quest once your first lc is out for 4 free ones.
Others ive spoke with get stables and immediately research scouts, they use the initial 10 to scout around whilst pushing for lc, the difference is minimal so its more will scouting get you enough additional res to warrant pre lc, imo no, but many players would disagree, what i would say is dont recruit additional scouts before lc, by all means go for the 10 free ones, but i wouldn't recruit extra before lc.

4, i would always micro farm pre lc and scouts, and even with lc i micro for a while perhaps till 50+, then i micro and c button after.
I deffo would not build axes, let alone 24/7 recruit them pre lc, i normally build 70 lc (at this point they are usually main table non stop, i then build hq up, following this i normally get mines to 15/15/15 for quest, and around the time im touching the mines i would research axes and have them going non stop, at this stage its easy to maintain both que's and begin upping stable and barracks, though im sure others go for it earlier, though it is all situation dependent, if axes stopped lc then they aint a good idea at all, better to have the eco strong and go late axes imo, but each to their own.

5, i only skim read the guide but i disagree with it, perhaps cuz its old, or maybe just bad.
use swords to split the farming waves, 15sp to 5 axes is way too high, i use at the start 2sp/2sw
then once got the barracks pushing out troops 3sp/sw.
also as soon as i get lc, i send in groups of 1, or 1 with a scout, 5 is far too many as you will struggle to get full hauls.
1 lc will never die to 0 wall, and luck being well usually makes it over even a lvl 1 wall, so deffo 1 lc per barb until 50 lc, at which point id be dabbling in a bit of c buttonage ;P
Depending on how into sp/sw farming you go (area reliant) you will get to lc with anywhere between just the quest reward troops to maybe 300 sp 200 sw, perhaps im wrong but i can't see me making more thabn those troops even in an amazing farming area.
once i get to lc, i will build lc and lc only till they are non stop, and once they are non stop they will not stop recruiting till i have a 30 farm, 50-100 lc means you can make lc constantly and resume building, 100-200 lc means you can recruit lc constantly, build things and probably get axe going 24/7, getting to higher levels of lc mean you will have too much resources than what you know what to do with, hence blowing res on a higher hq is easily affordable and worth it as it allows you with your inflated eco to build village faster.
As for the res of your queries and my answer to the rest of question 1.

Please note, this is a unfinished un looked at not ready for ppl's eyes guide, but its the fastest way to answer your questions as the early part is just about done, then it tails off as i rushed it, but yea, for pre stable its solid enough.
Next to no bb codes either, so its a real mess, but im sure you will find what your after :), btw mod's might now ban this account lol, so pm if theirs somat else that i don't answer ;)


Quests start up.


Ok had a previous start up guide but the quests make a big chunk of it redundant, as they have seriously sped up the first steps and have made it efficient to get to spear mass production strongly by opting for the correct pathway through the quests, the res ordering has also swapped a little due to quest rewards changing the balance.

Anyway.

clicky on the hq, "yey free res" and build:

Wood 1
clay 1
iron 1

Whilst waiting, change village name to somat cool and collect free resources.

following that, change profile and send a restart mail :D
Again its all free res.

Now you can invite a player for more free res, (oh yes this is all easy :D)

Now either join a tribe, or just make one for now (more res)

ok back to the HQ, que res till its

wood 4
clay 3
iron 1

(another quest)

Now go hq to lvl 3 and build barracks.
This will give you your first farming contingent of 10 sp/10 axe, if i started when the world opens i go full force to nearest barb, liekly your one of the first to these initial troops so should be a full haul, if starting later i split them into 2sp/2axe and go at the closest barbs to me.

After this
get your warehouse to lvl 3, (yey more res)
build statue and turn in quest for this also.
get paladin recruiting at this time.
Now build 10 more spears, and collect the bonus

Up to here its pretty much the same time, it will take about 30 mins or so and i dont think id tamper with this.

From here its based on how much farming you can do, or can be done if your time restricted.

basically the better the farming more investment into sp/sw you do, the worse the more investment into earlier pits you do.

Both get you income, obviously farming is better but you can only play your area as well as ya can.

Assuming you don't have the need to go early res start making spears and swords.

Again its a judgment thing, depending on situation of farming competition i like to build 3-12 spears per barb in say less than 5 hours of your vill, with accompanying swords at 3 spears to 2 swords.

Its very situational, some players prefer to lc rush with just the starting quest troops, some prefer minor troop investment then lc, some prefer major troop investment.

Fast lc can work if your area is decent enough to fund close farming with your initial sp/sw, being first to lc means your going to be weak troop wise but have the best troop for exploiting the area, alternatively slow lc your going to have a fair economy going to lc, you wont be much later and can get lc, and plenty of them from the off.
This isnt a key decision as either way your gonna get to lc and to present you couldnt of done anything better, use your judgment and make a call :)

Ok so farming all the time small groups gets us a nice steady income.

we are then going to go into res whilst keeping the spear and swords going, at first wont be doable so i just keep barracks going. either constant busy que becomes possible or you hit your pre determined limit per barb in area.
then go get your resources to.

wood 9
clay 8
iron 6

whilst getting troops and building you can earn a few more res and free fa by typing up a few quests.

Once you get the nice reward for the pits you can start going for stables.

You want to do hq first if possible, if your farming is good, should be no problem, if its poor throw some early smithies in. Basically we are trying to keep hq going with stables requirements as much as possible.

Once thier

Stables build to level 3, and research lc upon completion.

once lc are researched, click your first chunk of them to get recruiting, now research scouts, doing this should give you 10 scouts, and allow the lc quest to be available and completed granting 4 free lc.

So get ya lc farming,
1 scout/1 lc to begin with.

Now this is where we have the 2 major differences in farming, top players use different ones, or a variation and balance of the 2.

Method 1, SRE/FA "C" button
Method 2 Micro farming


I personaly go for micro farming, which means sending 1 lc and perhaps scouts (but less important to all villages near me barb or players of minimum or near size (no deaths)

once farmings lots of vills i go to fa, i sort barbs in order of proximity, and should initial haul be a full one, repeat trip
Should it not, skip the barb

Basically your farming area is massive quantity over quality of farms.
slowly you can up lc, but slower the better, you will start getting losses from 1 lc, as ppl build walls. following which you should go with 2 per barb, then 3/4/6...... etc.

Now when ive got a sizable lc count, maybe 1000+, i start to use scouts and FA/SRE more.
im finding as competition is no longer as fierce due to them fighting and babrs growing faster than them i can use sre more. reason i dont go earlier as often i scout a vill, b time lc have arrived the res is gone n my efficiency sucks, so i micro as a start, then revert to FA "C" button.

The more sre "C button" still brings in full or practically full hauls, the more i use and stop micro farming.

In a nut shell.

Micro farming is good because its spreads efficiency over a huge number of villages meaning villages dont have to have a lot of vills, could of been farmed in last hour or last week.


SRE, "C button" Is competition reliant the most effective method to farm, but carries the risk of other farmers screwing you big time, so whilst my farming is week i go for Micro, then swap over as sneaky farm trip between my vills isn't setting me back.

From here i would go hq straight up, going to as im told the magic number these days 23.
Following this, you can smithy rush, or you can increase pits to 15/15/15, user preference, its a nice reward tbf.

So axes and lc pumping out gonna want to mix in some siege, as well.

Being brutaly honest, if you could master it up to this stage thiers a lot less you can do wrong, building has a use and you got a fast hq n all the res in world.
I like to go into production buildings right after hq going up, but each to thier own.

So yea, learn the specific orders that cater best for what sorta start ya gonna go for, and learn how to farm efficiently.
 
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DeletedUser11418

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Wow , d1abolic,, this is awesome!,

I have like 268 points now, 51lc ( i have been constantly recruiting them since yesterday morning, except a few hours this night), i queued a few more now, well, i have also leveled up my market to 3 because i have alot of wood and clay that i could trade for iron.
Another thing is, that i see some barbs around me with around 1500 res total divided by the 3 resources in like 3 or 4 villages near me, i empty them by sending maybe 15 lc at once, after this they are simply empty.. Is t realy recommended that i start spliting my lc in groups of 2 and start farming in a 4-5 hour radius(8-10hours total) ?
I have also been leveling up the farm as i get close to the limit.

I really really apreciate your effort on making that nice guide :),

edit: btw, i went for 5/3/1 mines straight in the begining, haven't touched them ever since i started farming.
 

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Well , ive come to the point where i keep farming, i got 65 lc now, lost 10 because someone spiked me, i got stables constantly working, and started with barracks today, lets see if i can get HQ too in 1 or 2 days
 

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Yes i usualy (being un-co'd) would log in in the morning, send 1/2/3....lc the smallest the barbs allow you to without much loss along with 1 scout.
Then when you click of farm assistant, i send returning lc via c button to empty the village, and avoid higher wall levels with small chunks of lc.
Their is no set farming radias btw, i farm all barbs i can, lc are constantly recruiting but barbs are constantly growing, so my radias will get to a certain size, but then the barbs are producing more resources meaning my radias will no grow and can decline in size, just have all barbs around you, prioritized by proximity emptied by yourself as much as possible, not only does it mean lots of res for you, but severely hurts other farmers, especially the poor (lets send 20 lc per barb farmers)
Its better to farm often and get small hauls, than hold off so you cans end 15 lc again, others may in the mean time take the res that could have been yours.

At about your lc level your farming ok if lc are constant, next id chuck in hq levels whilst keeping the lc que going, but if your judgment says otherwise trust it :)
 

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Twins of evil said:
Yes i usualy (being un-co'd) would log in in the morning, send 1/2/3....lc the smallest the barbs allow you to without much loss along with 1 scout.
Then when you click of farm assistant, i send returning lc via c button to empty the village, and avoid higher wall levels with small chunks of lc.
Their is no set farming radias btw, i farm all barbs i can, lc are constantly recruiting but barbs are constantly growing, so my radias will get to a certain size, but then the barbs are producing more resources meaning my radias will no grow and can decline in size, just have all barbs around you, prioritized by proximity emptied by yourself as much as possible, not only does it mean lots of res for you, but severely hurts other farmers, especially the poor (lets send 20 lc per barb farmers)
Its better to farm often and get small hauls, than hold off so you cans end 15 lc again, others may in the mean time take the res that could have been yours.

At about your lc level your farming ok if lc are constant, next id chuck in hq levels whilst keeping the lc que going, but if your judgment says otherwise trust it :)
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yes i agree with that, but instead of building buildings while recruiting lc, shouldnt we recruit axes instead first?
 

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once lc are non stop I start quing hq levels, later the hq will be very precious in getting time to build things.
so I prioritize lc recruitment, then start the hq levels going then over spill goes on axe, relatively quickly axe can be 24/7 also, but I do que hq levels straight after PC's are constant, I guesw its a mi or detail as even if I que a few hq levels then go for axe or if I go for axe then que hq either way your getting axe now or a few hours later, I've just always gone for hq after lc que is sustainable with excess.
 

DeletedUser11418

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oh i see, well, even so i prefer queing lc till non stop, then axes, then HQ

edit: got about 80 axes, 100 light cavlary, hauled around 104k resources, about 300 times, but i cant seem to get stuff being built too, im already 2-3 days at same points. Il just try and make more lc and farm more i guess
 
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d1abolic said:
Grrrrrrrrm, i hate external forum spoilers, some nice mod before banning wanna be kind n edit em to work ;)
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I for one think you deserve to be unbanned and I'm not even randomly trolling.
 
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