SWARM F vs TR F

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I think i've touched a nerve :) Shane were you not on the council?

Yeh Casperbart clicked his fingers and i jumped, see how much of good boy i am!!
 
I was on the council and I left the game about a week before you stooges got cold feet.

Casper, wolfie, dickie and greg showed no honour. 3 of them now have positions in TR. They couldn't organise themselves let alone others. Remember I was on the very same council and know this. Good luck TR, you have some real doozies in charge of your K's. Damn, you were all gung ho to attack TR and as soon as Casper crapped his pants you followed him and helped him clean himself up.
Such a pity I did leave the game as I'd delight in sending my spear nukes at you.
 
So why did Swarm keep us on the council if we couldn't organise anything?
 
dickie6123 said:
So why did Swarm keep us on the council if we couldn't organise anything?
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Too true.
We took our eye off the ball.
For most of the council (maybe all by the time I left the game) this was our first world and naturally we made some silly mistakes.

One thing that can't be thrown at the current council is that they don't have honour. If I was still playing the game I'd rather have them at my back than the turncoats who joined TR
 
shaneyboycian said:
One thing that can't be thrown at the current council is that they don't have honour. If I was still playing the game I'd rather have them at my back than the turncoats who joined TR
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well said, and i'm sorry you left shaney, we will miss you

Lord Lazlo has joined in on me
nice, someone's getting agitated ;)
wonder if it is fakes...
 
Triarii2D said:
well said, and i'm sorry you left shaney, we will miss you

Lord Lazlo has joined in on me
nice, someone's getting agitated ;)
wonder if it is fakes...
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I love the fact you completely ignore the points of the proper debate here, and instead try to goad TR members by claiming our leader is losing his cool.

I find it admirable that LL takes such an involved role in the war, it shows that even though he leads us he is still fighting on the frontline as well. We are not his pawns, we are proudly fighting alongside him. It is simply your bad luck that has led to you being his target ;)
 
dickie6123 said:
Maybe this was the problem?
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What really leaves a bad taste in the mouth is that those council members that left were part of the planning to attack TR even engaging with KnK (I'm also disgusted by your wimping out as well lads) drawing up plans. Where was your honour? Why did you wimp out of the fight?

If Rc is telling the truth whilst you engaged in these plans you also were in discussions about joining TR. That imo was dishonourable and is the reason I particularly have a problem with the SWARM leadership that defected.

Friendships were made and now have been shattered by these sneaky actions. I know if I ever started on another world I wouldn't want to be in a tribe with you guys again. I couldn't in all honesty trust you.

As they say, 'what goes around, comes around.'
 
Joining TR was not a rushed decision, spoke to Rc in length about it. But only about myself joining, not half the tribe.

As for planning to attack TR, yes I did plan attacks. I mean TR could have said no to my application. Friendships were made and I lost several good TW friends because of my actions (mainly you and Pete) but then I still have those that have moved with me and people already in TR.
 
Blimey, I sometimes dread to think how some of you guys would react if something real and serious happened in your life!

Repeat after me - 'its only a game!'
 
dickie6123 said:
Joining TR was not a rushed decision, spoke to Rc in length about it. But only about myself joining, not half the tribe.
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Whilst you may have only decided for yourself to move do not try and tell me that you didn't expect that a good number would follow you 4 council members. Wether that was due to having been in the same tribes all along or due to the panic your actions were likely to induce, I think you well knew this sort of outcome was likely.

DICKIE6123 said:
As for planning to attack TR, yes I did plan attacks. I mean TR could have said no to my application.
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Who initiated the talks? If it was TR then I don't buy them saying no to your app. I still think it was very bad form to string the council along and pretend all was good whilst you were planning to join the enemy.

DICKIE6123 said:
Friendships were made and I lost several good TW friends because of my actions (mainly you and Pete) but then I still have those that have moved with me and people already in TR.
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Within the game you have lost my respect for sure but if I met you on the Street I'd still talk to you, invite you to go for a few pints etc. After all it is only a game. Within this game though your actions leave a very bad taste and you have lost the respect of quite a few players on this world.

It is a pity that self-preservation was put ahead of the tribe.
 
shaneyboycian said:
Whilst you may have only decided for yourself to move do not try and tell me that you didn't expect that a good number would follow you 4 council members. Wether that was due to having been in the same tribes all along or due to the panic your actions were likely to induce, I think you well knew this sort of outcome was likely.
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You misunderstand Dickie, Shane - he did not know any others would be joining. As far as he was aware, it would just be him. If you wish to credit anyone for this outcome, either myself or Mikek are the ones who deserve it. And I will gladly take credit for this move.

Within the game you have lost my respect for sure but if I met you on the Street I'd still talk to you, invite you to go for a few pints etc. After all it is only a game. Within this game though your actions leave a very bad taste and you have lost the respect of quite a few players on this world.

It is a pity that self-preservation was put ahead of the tribe.
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He may have lost the respect of a few players, but he has gained the respect of others. And I would rather be respected by a tribe that honours its alliances, and does not harbour refugees from them.

As for self preservation being put ahead of the tribe - I see no problem with that. Why should Dickie be rimmed due to the wrong decisions being made by your leadership? PeterDGreat1 has resigned as tribe leader because he admitted he made the wrong decision, and I respect him for it, and if only he had done so sooner, war could have been prevented. But it wasn't. Dickie would have been taken out due to these wrong decisions, if I hadn't persuaded him to join us. And that wasn't an easy move. It was no longer about loyalty; indeed it ceased to be so once Peter made it clear Olo would not be kicked. It was about whether he would die for anothers folly, or survive due to his own merit. Peter lost his right to claiming loyalty once he knowingly led the tribe into a war they can not win, and could have so easily been avoided. He has betrayed everyone in his tribe by this move.
 
Rc1207 said:
You misunderstand Dickie, Shane - he did not know any others would be joining. As far as he was aware, it would just be him. If you wish to credit anyone for this outcome, either myself or Mikek are the ones who deserve it. And I will gladly take credit for this move.
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I didn't misunderstand Dickie. As I said to him, he knew by his actions that others would follow. I also know how close he, casper, greg and wolfie were and I'm sure they all knew what each other was doing before they all left SWARM. They would have expected a mass defection due to their actions. I have no doubts on this in my mind.

Anyway I have said my peice. I have been keeping an eye on the externals and due to my long stading place within SWARM up on till a few weeks ago felt I couldn't keep quiet anymore.

I agree Rc that mistakes were made. I don't think any of the previous SWARM council (myself included) have come out particularly well from this fiasco.
 
I'm coming back to this point as it played on my mind since.

dickie6123 said:
Joining TR was not a rushed decision, spoke to Rc in length about it. But only about myself joining, not half the tribe.

As for planning to attack TR, yes I did plan attacks. I mean TR could have said no to my application. Friendships were made and I lost several good TW friends because of my actions (mainly you and Pete) but then I still have those that have moved with me and people already in TR.
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During your chats with TR prior to you joining did you tell them that you were planning attacks on them?
On a personal level dickie can you give me a straight, honest answer as to why you left?

Rc1207 said:
You misunderstand Dickie, Shane - he did not know any others would be joining. As far as he was aware, it would just be him. If you wish to credit anyone for this outcome, either myself or Mikek are the ones who deserve it. And I will gladly take credit for this move.
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Rc did you know that during your chats with dickie and the other members of the council that they were planning op's on TR?
If you didn't know and had become aware would you still have actively pursued them?

Another question or two Rc. Do TR normally try to poach the council members of their allied tribes? Surely by doing this you knew you would break up the tribe?
Very sneaky tactic and one that meant you didn't need to be allied to SWARM anymore thus giving you more room for expansion. I believe wether or not SWARM attacked you first the consequence of your action would be the same. You wanted war with SWARM.
 
shaneyboycian said:
Rc did you know that during your chats with dickie and the other members of the council that they were planning op's on TR?
If you didn't know and had become aware would you still have actively pursued them?
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We were not aware that Dickie was planning ops against us, but I would still have actively pursed him, as I respect him as a player, and want such a player on my tribe.

shaneyboycian said:
Another question or two Rc. Do TR normally try to poach the council members of their allied tribes? Surely by doing this you knew you would break up the tribe?
Very sneaky tactic and one that meant you didn't need to be allied to SWARM anymore thus giving you more room for expansion. I believe wether or not SWARM attacked you first the consequence of your action would be the same. You wanted war with SWARM.
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TR have never poached members from an allied tribe with the intention of war.

We recruited these players in an attempt to avoid war - this was a diplomatic move, one in a series of moves, the first being the dropping of border agreements, and the second being the dropping of the alliance to a NAP, aimed to lead to Peter backing down over Olo7. It did not have the desired effect however, as SWARM instead responded with hostile actions towards our tribe. We were left with no choice but to defend ourselves, and so war came.
 
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This thread started off as stats between SWARM and TR as it was a significant event in a world losing pace. Now it has turned into dickie's loss of honor and how the tribe has been portrayed by the majority of the council. This is not a thread based on facts as it was intended but by opinions of people that are annoyed by what has happened.
 
shaneyboycian said:
One thing that can't be thrown at the current council is that they don't have honour.
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Wait... when did Nelly1 ever have honour? All she ever tended to do was complain... wasn't a particularly brilliant player either...

But I'm sure a couple of days ago I saw a post that said that nelly was a SWARM baron?

Which means that I feel very sorry for SWARM at this moment if the remaining members are happy to be lead by Nelly... Eugh!
 
bobsmith said:
Wait... when did Nelly1 ever have honour? All she ever tended to do was complain... wasn't a particularly brilliant player either...

But I'm sure a couple of days ago I saw a post that said that nelly was a SWARM baron?

Which means that I feel very sorry for SWARM at this moment if the remaining members are happy to be lead by Nelly... Eugh!
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Agree completely.

I was looking forward to taking some villages from her, but now me and my room mates accounts have been banned for some reason, so could be a while before I can :(
 
Rc1207 said:
but now me and my room mates accounts have been banned for some reason, so could be a while before I can :(
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We at SWARM. all know why your account was banned Rc
multi accounting

from our forums
"Just to let everyone know that we have identified one spy in Swarm!

bigshotbob was actually being account sat by Rc1207 of TR, who was also sitting Meado of ODA. It would appear that all 3 accounts have now been frozen/locked."

so everyone this is how TR operate then
 
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