Been off the game for the last couple of months due to real life issues(dam real life trying to get int the way of TW)
Been trying my best to scour through as many forums as possible as when I was around I was part of the WET council who had dealings with DRrebel and I witnessed first hand his manipulative and backstabbing tactics of which are endless.
Basically here is how I remember it from my point of view which is going to biased to the hilt of course
WAR approached us for a NAP and presented us with a laughable set of terms which included no barb nobling in k43 or taking in of any the other tribe members that were already there which included Wyvern, Virus, SONS! and old stragglers from W4R and W4IR aswell as HoB up to the north of the K.
Seeing as we had our eyes set on that K we planned to take as many of the tribes out in that area as possible to gain control of it. We did however know that a lot of us had to come deep positions of k44 and therefore knew it wouldn't be easy. With this in mind we decided to NAP HoB so we could focus on the rest of the tribes within that K.
This was how things were rolling along fine when W A R approached us about NAPPING them basically wanting to worm their way into that K without a fight except against tribes we had already considerably weakened such as Wyvern and Virus. The terms of the nap have been published in another thread somewhere but I am just back after 2 months out so I apologize for not knowing exact place.
Anyhow whilst we were discussing the hilarious offer from them we sent back a counter offer and were also approached by END to help take them out with their idea being END hitting them from the south and us from the north to which we said we were interested but we would like to see WAR's response to our counter offer first. Afterall we were still fighting a few tribes within the K and truth be told we wanted to obliterate them first before taking on a new tribe which in all honesty was controlling k53 and looked like it could cause us problems.
While awaiting our answer back off DRrebel he had got his tribe to go on mass barb nobling spree in k43 and then proceeded to recruit all stragglers and refugees of whom we had been fighting and then he even blatantly merged Wyvern into them and then also END which gave us no option but to set them as enemies. This also gave them more of the villas in k43 and were now the dominant force in terms of points and villas in that continent all in the space of 48 hours or so. To say we were upset is an understatement. We felt duped by both them and END although I cannot prove that this was their intentions from the very beginning or just a case of adapting to a situation at the time knowing the NAP weren't going to happen.
Anyhow we had to get guys over there quickly so we in the council decided we would allow all our k44 guys to be able to noble barbs over in k43 to be near a frontline and face WAR head on, who to be fair to them had around 7 days head start on us in that sense and were starting to turtle up it seemed to look like to me. Again I could be wrong.
One thing I did know was that the mass nobling of barbs was gonna knock their noble count so I knew we would be better off in that capacity so I still felt comfortable of a victory but I was preparing myself for a long haul against what looked like a tribe who had beat us off our marks and could well cause us many problems.
With this in mind we offered HoB a merge into us so we could have them under our guidance and have the extra manpower needed and I personally showed tbmlgh who was duke of them at the time a letter which Drebel had wrote me about his desire of crushing them and then BK hence why he wanted to nap WET. Obviously DRrebel never realised BK and ourselves were allies and had been from almost day 1 so he never done his homework on our or their diplomacy.
HoB knew they were in danger and despite our offer decided to merge into BK which at the time again really riled us and we felt their decision was based on the hope WAR wouldnt try take on BK if they had us to contend with which would basically give the ex HoB members some restbite. However this again is just an opinion of how I remember it at the time and there was also a bit of bickering within our own council walls between dukes and barons which did not bode well for us and would no doubt have also put HoB off wanting to come into us.
We now felt under pressure a little and it was imperative we got out numbers down from the 2 tribes into just 1 so we had to act fast and kick and internal a lot of players in quick time and then guys re-posted to the frontline which we managed to do.
Now this where my real life stuff came into play and I couldn't play no more so I dont know the facts about how we beat them so easily(going off conquers posted) but I have read many threads since coming back today some which were having a go at WET for barb nobling and some of which stated Bi were helping us etc.
Yes we did barb noble but only to face head on and to react to what our enemy was doing. I read somewhere that they accused adey of letting us noble barbs but not them therefore meaning they(Bi) helped us...how ridiculous and what a terrible excuse for seeing your side lose.
Adey will tell you himself from my discussions with him around that time that openly told him we at WET were still weary of them and we knew they needed our nap just as much as we needed theirs. Also yes we did reprimand anybody who nobled any of his farms.. But not because it was adey or grant but because we had a strict policy on barb nobling apart from when we gave the permission to allow them in k43 for war purposes.
It really done my head in reading a thread somewhere stating that we were just barb nobling for the fun of it and DRrebel was trying to accuse us of it. Totally wrong. His tribe were the champions at it. I am also annoyed that ex WAR players are accusing ZP(HoB and BK) being our lap dogs and that we needed their help or we would have lost to them. Kettle black comes to mind after the mass recruitment of END, Wyvern, Virus and SONS into your tribe was your downfall and the fact you nobled too many barbs lowering your royalty numbers by a hell of a lot which therefore meant you couldnt take as many villas as you would want even if you got through the stacked defenses.
These were all thing DRrebel preached about on these forums yet he blatantly done the opposite of what he would preach and in a style of aggressive and arrogant manner to which not everyone will respond to.
Anyway I hope this makes sense to people and you may actually know it all already but as I said I am new back to the game and wanted to just say how I remember it.
Thanks
Red