Nice to get a chance to respond to you Discord. I´ve been reading some of your posts on other threads and really biting my tounge. As I had nothing to do with the current conversation i thought it would be a waste of time to post just to have a dig at you. However you´re posting just to have a dig it me means I can respond which is nice
Should I take it that you don´t want me to say posative things about Jungle? I have pleanty of other opinions and ideas you might prefer?
Now as we all know I like to make assumptions. Such as the assumption that MH was going to go to war with SPQR even though they´d only been a couple of villa swaps. That assumption proved correct. How about the assumption that Jungle (or at least their K45 members) were taking a hand in that war? This also proved correct. I also remember another assumption that Ruffus would join Jungle. Has that happened yet? Oh yes!
So here´s another assumption. Jungle were worried about their dwindling membership and the fact that they were having to spend the majority of their time internally nobling players that their merger with Jack was a neccesary form of self preservation. Jungle went from 15 players to 33 in a few days which means that there are more new people then old people. How many of them do you think might be spies?
Good luck with your new tribe
Jack + Jungle + Huggle = Juggle.
But, sir. It is black.
Oh come on, why dont use two (jungle and egg) just war each other and make your own thread rather then going at each other on every thread..
Use are situated nicely to have a good war too...
Quit the forum wars and take it in game on the battlefield! >
I think an Egg vs. Jungle war would really be interesting
but I think that we should go back to the original topic about the top 20 tribes and not make an Jungle vs. Egg discussion in here...
Ummm it is on topic, there 2 top 20 tribe positioned very nicely to have a good war!
Kama can then vs the winner! :lol:
well actually Egg could star war on Kama as well as on Jungle...
not the best position they have
They look more than comfortable in their k though! If not a little surrounded.
The Juggle and Egg situation is pretty obviously going to end in war! Surely. Why not go for it? But for fairnesses sake, don't get every man and his dog involved. That applies to both parties, not just Juggle as you would all presume. You know the score, spies and such! *cough cough*
I'm dying to see a fair, one on one war in this world, been nothing but b**ching and backstabbing since the start. Yes that is part of the game, But it isn't called Tribal Housewives is it?:icon_razz:
Lets get something relevant in here. I think most of the top 10 have their positives. Main problem for any tribe is inactivity at this stage. MH showed this with poor old ruffio having to play 9/10 of the accounts just to get some consistency. Then finally a ban!
I think if there was a good honest scrap, like in the old days. People would pick the mouse back up, and start playing again!
Say it as many times as you like, you might even believe it in the end.
[09/12/2009 20:49:22] simplee: I have been waiting for over a week for permision to launch on my target I finaly get a time and the tribe falls to peices
Lol, well i make my comments based on the information i have available. It certainly seemed to me that Kama was skirting RA when I looked casually at the map. I didn't make the comment to imply that Kama was scared of conflict with another tribe mearly to support a point that I felt the game was a little settled and the larger tribes probably prefered to pick of the weaker ones as opposed to going at each other. However I have been corrected so that you for that. ^_^ I apologise if you took offence at my randomly spouted comment masquerading as fact.
As for Egg being scared of Jungle we just recognise their are easier targets. I've happily been munching on the remnants of MH to the north and I understand the southern members have been having fun with HaD (hence the movement south). We have no more reason to turn on Jungle then we do on Kama. Probably a reason why they're is a derth of decent tribes as they're any half hopeful prospect gets gobbled by the big beasts.
Nice one buddy, my apologies to you too
For clarity, I as duke of Jack discussed at massive, interminable length, a merger with with Jungle dukes. FWIW, and not terribly relevant, both in my discussions with Jungle and my discussions with Jack members, we used the term merger all the way through.
The discussion within Jack was kept within about half the tribe. We wanted to avoid being part of the rumour mill and knew we had a couple of spies in the lower echelons of the tribe. We did succeed in keeping the merge secret, which was an achievement.
Jack was an odd beast, as has been noted here on several occasions. While there were a bunch of good/great/active players, there was another bunch who were great guys and fun to be around but were either not active or did not have enough understanding of the game to be considered for a merge with a tribe of Jungle's quality.
FWIW, I feel I let down the smaller guys in Jack. At one point I hoped we could get them into Dynis but they filled up. Then there was a possibility with Zoo, a training tribe, but that fell through. In the end, I failed to find them a home.
Again, for clarity, with the exceptions of Jack of Shana, Jack Par, and Jack Sprat, those who stayed behind in Jack only knew of the merge as it started to happen. I am split as to whether it would have been sensible to try to involve them or not in the discussions. Morally yes, practically no.
It would be no surprise to me if they felt bitter towards me. OTOH, I think they are unlikely ever to read these forums.
The Jack trusted members voted 2 times on the Jungle merger, both times with significant majorities. There was significant, and vociferous opposition from 2/3 people - Par and Shana primarily. (Hi Jack!).
The motivations for the merge? My personal one was increasingly that I wasn't able/willing to duke the tribe and nor was anyone else. There was also the massive and obvious strategic benefits. Once we have finished with Dynis, the expanded Jungle rules the East/North-east pretty much unchallenged.
Meh. This became long and self-justifying. Oh well.
Edit: I'm glad to see good team players from Jack have joined with some from Dynis to make Se. Don't underestimate them. (There, that makes it a top 20 opinion
I grow tired of this eternal argument of semantics over equivocal "data" that is misinterpreted with the intent to mislead. If you have something intelligible to prove, do so in-game Angrychef. Oh wait, you can't...
Side 1:
Tribes: SPQR
Players:
Side 2:
Tribes: Jungle
Players:
Timeframe: Last month(I don't feel like finding the exact times)
Total conquers:
Side 1: 319
Side 2: 397
Difference: 78
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 1
Side 2: 7
Difference: 6
Points value of total conquers:
Side 1: 2,021,160
Side 2: 2,933,814
Difference: 912,654
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 2,838
Side 2: 48,692
Difference: 45,854
You sir, are a joke meant not to be taken seriously (by your own admission). Therefore take you seriously I will not.
Discord hereby disrespectfully refuses to respond to anymore pointed statements from arrogant and/or ignorant "players" (I use that term very loosely for several of you) who are entirely oblivious to what actually happens before their eyes. Clearly no matter how many facts are thrown in your faces you'll remain the invariably ignorant bigots you are now. And if you really feel the need to report that as an insult, try looking up what all those words mean. I know it may be a challenge, but I'm sure you'll be up to the task. You are after all so intent to try looking up plausible evidence in an attempt to make Jungle look bad. Looking up a few words in a dictionary ought to be a walk in the park.
Okay to start
That is the biggest and perhaps wrongest guess I have ever seen in my life. (You cannot call me biased I didn't even go with them!)
I was against the merge and I admit I am sad that Jack has lost its greatness. In any case I feel in some ways the merge with Jungle might of been a good idea since we were starting to lose a vast number of players due to rl reasons.
Anyways I wish all of my ex-Jack friends good luck in the future
best not respond to anything you've written yourself then :icon_wink:
oh and discord lets have a look at some other stats shall we?
Side 1:
Tribes: SPQR
Players:
Side 2:
Tribes: Jungle
Players:
Timeframe: Forever
Total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 7
Side 2: 8
Difference: 1
Points value of total conquers against opposite side:
Side 1: 33,452
Side 2: 54,842
Difference: 21,390
ok ok so your 1 up on us but they're hardly worth while stats are they? 15 villages exchanged in total isnt exactly a fantastic marker is it?
Any way back on topic best give at least a top 5 tribes review!
Kama - Been top for too long now to have any doubters that these guys are the best on this world. I feel i recognise a few names from W34.net (dead4head) and they were amongst the best there too so they certainly have pedigree.
Jungle - Well what can i say? They onviously have some good players although the quality is nowhere near as in depth as Kama's. Still they have recruited well (in most cases at least) and they are deserving of their number 2 spot. Still a long way to go before they are any sort of challenge for number 1 though
Egg - I like these guys, they have a good mix of players. But they are yet to be seriously tested so i'll wait to pass judgement on their over all abilities just yet.
SPQR - My tribe. I think a lot of people had written us off when MH declared but we made short work of them. Fantastic group of people that keep it about the fun more than anything.The team work in SPQR is amongst the best i have ever experienced.
Ui - from what i can tell they are a solid group of players but as i have had next to no contact with these guys i cant really say much more than that! Will be top 5 for a good while i would think.
I do agree with most of this,
ui, in my honest opinion, are going to have a few K's under their belts before anyone can stop them! And when the time comes for someone to try, I don't think they will....... I see an ending with kama and ui in a ying-yang style layout. I will stay around (probably on the rim, lol) to watch that one pan out.
I think the flak at jungle has more to do with the lack of a genuine test of their metal! To be considered an elite tribe, there has to be some sort of domination of your position! Kama, dominate k after k! You share (I do use the term loosely, lol) your k's with other decent tribes! You recruited yourselves K46, and you have to admit that to be wrong from a tribe of your caliber.
Recruiting is not against the rules but the 'shitty' nature of the last wave of such was incredibly damaging to most of the world's morale! If this was the idea, a round of applause is in order! Even though I disagree with it.
However I don't believe it was! I think you all want to put SPQR in a panic. They are your biggest threat as they have a grudge. Simple as that. This merge, rightly or wrongly has a hell of a lot to do with intimidation of your rival????? Correct? I would have thought so, it's what I would have done Discord.
I have a request instead. Do what you should have done a while ago, duff egg up!!! PLEASE!!!!!!! They do not deserve their position in this world, what was the last interesting thing they did apart from spy MH to death!? I will eat my words on this one if egg prove theirselves and stop you from growing around them like ivy on a fence!
My guess? The attacks start coming and EGG will cry wolf!
I know it's a long post, but thanks for reading
Passe
Without having an argument, I don't understand your points.
For starters, I don't see a differentiate between dominating a K and dominating an area. Kama started in the core, we started in the rim of the core. Just because there is a little white-box drawn around a "continent" it doesn't mean that you have had to fight any more or less for it.
Secondly, I'd agree with you about Jungle not exactly been tested, but in my opinion, no tribe has been tested yet. Each tribe have had their scuffs, some of which were a fair time ago in different circumstances. Have SPQR been tested? IMO? No. MH we're never that good and if you think defeating MH is the benchmark for skill then it's very, very poor parameters of skill.
As for the recruitment; Whether people like to accept it or not, it's in part jealousy and fear. People don't like the fact that Jungle can work as a small unit and in fear at the prospect of them growing. I think I know what my intention had always been and I'll gladly tell you my intention, if people actually care to listen:
I'd intended Ouch!/Jungle to be a small, core of reliable players that would enter the world and recruit from there. Why? I wasn't going to aim to recruit 40 members, join a world expecting everything to fall into place and win the world, hey presto, No. I know people leave premades, more so than normal tribes. It's much more logical, and fun, to go in with a reliable core and recruit from there. I certainly didn't expect things to take this route but I guess I didn't really know how things happen.
Anyway, back to my point. Why do people have a problem with Jungle recruiting? Jealousy and fear. People saw us as the small unit that could maybe get stuff done but never could achieve as big a clout as that of a tribe with more than 15 members. People don't like the fact that over night, Jungle is essentially much stronger. Egg recruited more members than us but still, no whining?
Anyone who says that Jungle is a mass-recruiting, merge-whoring, cuddly tribe either has an agenda or is simply an idiot (Kriegy, I haven't called anyone an idiot yet, save the ban-hammer foar naow :lol
Mh were, yes, a very bad tribe. But there were a lot of members there, with a lot of villages, and a lot of nukes! The way SPQR's OD increased in those first few days was crazy, deny it or not, they deserve credit for how they dealt with the situation! If we are to be fair to them!? Would jungle have done as good or better? I suppose would they do better is the only valid question? what do you think?(I say jungle purely due to the nion cemetrical situation that was either side of MH at the time, (jungle - spqr)
This is a fair shout, but had dynis or egg or spqr 'merged' with jack, would you just pass it by as we are all being expected to? You haven't just gently recruited decent players buddy. Or even taken in the cream from a conquest, such as jack-tft, spqr-mh. These players were earned by breaking their old tribe down. Jack were steaming towards a K domination? Do you see my point?
You have to accept T, this huge swell in points and 'power' may look nice on the leaderboards, but its battered your 'image'. You have now made it look like the invite button is the key to your success. I do hope you prove me and everyone else wrong, but I doubt you will. This is IMO, I do not wish to, or mean to offend with it..... please keep that in mind.
If this is to be true, then I look forward to the removal of the 'thorn' in your side, South westernly side.:lol:
And I am aware that your'e going to be protective of your 'old' tribe, but idiot would be strong. Imagine the other side of the fence, the grass must be greener on the other side.
Passe
Mh were, yes, a very bad tribe. But there were a lot of members there, with a lot of villages, and a lot of nukes! The way SPQR's OD increased in those first few days was crazy, deny it or not, they deserve credit for how they dealt with the situation! If we are to be fair to them!? Would jungle have done as good or better? I suppose would they do better is the only valid question? what do you think?(I say jungle purely due to the nion cemetrical situation that was either side of MH at the time, (jungle - spqr)
Well, seeing as how SPQR had it's entire tribe bordering MH, and Jungle had 3-4 players I would say probably not. You can't compare those two situations like that, it's simply silly. No one will know how Jungle might have killed MH, because it didn't happen.
This is a fair shout, but had dynis or egg or spqr 'merged' with jack, would you just pass it by as we are all being expected to? You haven't just gently recruited decent players buddy. Or even taken in the cream from a conquest, such as jack-tft, spqr-mh. These players were earned by breaking their old tribe down. Jack were steaming towards a K domination? Do you see my point?
We likely wouldn't have cared. If SPQR recruited Jack I'd say they're morons. If Egg recruited Jack, I'd also say they're morons. If Dynis merged with Jack, then our world would be seriously messed up already and there'd be much larger things to worry about. This merge is only "scary" because of who are involved. For SPQR to recruit them all would be silly. They directly border all of them. Why would they do anything but eat Jack? Egg are entirely disconnected from Jack, so they'd also be extremely silly to spread themselves so thin. Dynis recruiting Jack would be like Jungle recruiting Kama. It wouldn't happen. The unique positioning of Jack and Jungle is the large reason we did it. You're the only one having a fit about it, which makes me think you're sitting pretty in SPQR and don't like the situation this puts you in.
You have to accept T, this huge swell in points and 'power' may look nice on the leaderboards, but its battered your 'image'. You have now made it look like the invite button is the key to your success. I do hope you prove me and everyone else wrong, but I doubt you will. This is IMO, I do not wish to, or mean to offend with it..... please keep that in mind.
Our image has already been battered. It'd be pretty hard to damage it anymore at this point.
If this is to be true, then I look forward to the removal of the 'thorn' in your side, South westernly side.:lol:
We'll do what we want. If that happens to be attacking the tribe you want us to, so be it. Don't think for a minute that we care about what you want us to do in the slightest.
And I am aware that your'e going to be protective of your 'old' tribe, but idiot would be strong. Imagine the other side of the fence, the grass must be greener on the other side.
He's back on the tropical side of the fence now. :icon_wink:
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