DeletedUser857
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[gfx]Speaking purely as an ex msger, not as a mod. Although i appriciate the need for such rules, I really miss the good old days when things were not so strict, and i don't really understand why things are so much different now...[/gfx]
DeletedUser
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DeletedUser857
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[Gfx]Mate, I've been posting in msg since my join date, which makes me fairly sure I predate you on .uk... awkward....[/gfx]
DeletedUser
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Good old days? All I remember was some idiots making like a million stupid /lick threads... atleast now you get a decent thread now and then, albeit getting closed.
DeletedUser
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Oh no, I'm not questioning your notoriety around these lands, just lol'ing at you using the term "ex-msger".
DeletedUser
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ok, buddy, ok.
Hidden racism ftw.
DeletedUser
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I have a question...
On the forum rules it states that starred out 'inappropriate language' is not allowed, which agreed as its a forum rule the post with the starred out bad language is infractionable.
But why is it allowed in game? I'm assuming that the rule is there to hide 'young peoples' eyes from the bad language (to stop TW being accused of influencing that language??).
But ingame you can't recieve an infraction, and if the mailer sends it, or even a full 'swear' word then the person being mailed (who could be any age) still see's this, and is most likley to not to report it as there is the message that encourages people to block the mailer. So they still could get influenced to use that language outside of TW as they have already seen that mail thus TW could then be accused of influencing it.
Can't there be a way to stop all bad language being used on forums and ingame, like some sort of program that does not allow you to send mail or post on the forums, i.e. a message appears when you hit the post/send mail button that says 'inappropriate language is not allowed' and then does not post or mail that message until it is removed?
Also, people(not just forum Mod's, I mean everyone) have a diffrent perception of what is deemed inappropriate. Like for instance someone like myself who grew up in a run down area of Glasgow would not deem certain words to be inappropriate as it's basicly a norm where I grew up and there was no-one to inforce that it was wrong, yet someone who grew up in a wealthy family where punishment was used to inforce the non-use of bad language might deem it inappropriate.
So how do the Mod's pick and choose what is inappropriate and what is not? Maybe pick and choose isn't the right term to use, but like how does a Mod decifer what is inappropriate and what isn't
On the forum rules it states that starred out 'inappropriate language' is not allowed, which agreed as its a forum rule the post with the starred out bad language is infractionable.
But why is it allowed in game? I'm assuming that the rule is there to hide 'young peoples' eyes from the bad language (to stop TW being accused of influencing that language??).
But ingame you can't recieve an infraction, and if the mailer sends it, or even a full 'swear' word then the person being mailed (who could be any age) still see's this, and is most likley to not to report it as there is the message that encourages people to block the mailer. So they still could get influenced to use that language outside of TW as they have already seen that mail thus TW could then be accused of influencing it.
Can't there be a way to stop all bad language being used on forums and ingame, like some sort of program that does not allow you to send mail or post on the forums, i.e. a message appears when you hit the post/send mail button that says 'inappropriate language is not allowed' and then does not post or mail that message until it is removed?
Also, people(not just forum Mod's, I mean everyone) have a diffrent perception of what is deemed inappropriate. Like for instance someone like myself who grew up in a run down area of Glasgow would not deem certain words to be inappropriate as it's basicly a norm where I grew up and there was no-one to inforce that it was wrong, yet someone who grew up in a wealthy family where punishment was used to inforce the non-use of bad language might deem it inappropriate.
So how do the Mod's pick and choose what is inappropriate and what is not? Maybe pick and choose isn't the right term to use, but like how does a Mod decifer what is inappropriate and what isn't
DeletedUser7342
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There is a list of inappropriate words that mods use both in game and in forums.
Also it is up to the moderator to distinguish inappropriate context or words that are globally though of as such.
Also it is up to the moderator to distinguish inappropriate context or words that are globally though of as such.
DeletedUser
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Thats what I mean though, if one moderator thinks a certain word is inappropriate on one set of forums as they see it as not the 'norm' , but the mod on another forum does not and its use goes unnoticed as they see it as the 'norm' (assuming it does not get reported) then it could seem not only unfair to the poster who used it in both forums but also the other posters who read the forums.
So why can't something be implemented to take it out alltogether, like you said they had a list of inappropriate words, why can't this list be used as a baseline for 'key words' that do not allow the poster/mailer to post or mail that certan message until the word is removed?
DeletedUser7342
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All is own (players and moderators) responsibility to ensure that the rules are followed.
We do live in a world of free will and it is our responsibility to live in harmony with it's rules and those that the majority of people have voted for.
Our actions bring reactions and one should be aware of that at all times. If you harm someone expect that you will be harmed by someone too.
This is a game and one that we all play to have fun. If we implement more rules then at some point it will not be fun any more!
So, if a player is offended by a post or mail he/she has the option to ignore, block or report it and action will be taken.
It is up to each one of us to act against someone else's actions.
As for difference in a moderator's opinion, there is always someone higher up overlooking everything to avoid this.
We do live in a world of free will and it is our responsibility to live in harmony with it's rules and those that the majority of people have voted for.
Our actions bring reactions and one should be aware of that at all times. If you harm someone expect that you will be harmed by someone too.
This is a game and one that we all play to have fun. If we implement more rules then at some point it will not be fun any more!
So, if a player is offended by a post or mail he/she has the option to ignore, block or report it and action will be taken.
It is up to each one of us to act against someone else's actions.
As for difference in a moderator's opinion, there is always someone higher up overlooking everything to avoid this.
DeletedUser
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Don't forget that using naughty words will make Santa not bring you any Christmas gifts!
DeletedUser
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We all know(or should) that the world does not work that way, regardless if its been voted for or not....sometimes not voted for.
I completly agree it is a game, but to enjoy it I'd rather, as I'm sure others would, not get infracted for exporting a mail that had a starred out swear word I never even wrote. How can I enjoy a game when the rules are unclear? Example- An infraction for posting the acronym, that is probably the most common and widley used on text and social networking of all ages, LM(you know what goes here)O :s You said it was things that are globbally unacceptable, since when has this been unacceptable
If a post is not reported, infracted or a warning given and it seems it may have inappropriate language in it, i.e the Mod does not think its deemed inappropriate, and the person reading it who has themselve been warned, infracted for its use(but isn't that petty they feel the need to report it) Then how can those higher up be overlooking it? I'm assuming here that thats the whole point of recruiting a forum moderator, to relieve the pressure on those higher up who have other things to do with the game and don't have time to read through all the forum posts.?
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DeletedUser
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Completely understand where you are coming from Meechan, no one wants to be infracted or warned regarding their posts. But it's made out to be that rules are implemented on a whim or are twisted around to make an infraction work...and they aren't. We have a set of forum rules, for ALL to see and we are here to enforce those rules, if there are any questions or confusion regarding the rules linked at the top of the forum labeled "Forum Rules", then that's what the moderation staff is here for, to ask us and we can explain what they mean. For your Example, it clearly states that it's an offense in the forum rules and as such is acted upon by the moderation team. As for it being globally acceptable, I think what was meant by that is WHAT it is globally understood as, meaning WTF is globally understood to have a swear/cuss word in it. Here's an excerpt from the rules:
Extreme and inappropriate content
We don't want to lay down massive amounts of rules, or rather add anymore, which is what Pav was saying, as it doesn't make it fun anymore, but the rules we do have must be enforced since this is an ALL age friendly forum. When players breach a rule, it gets moderated, it's as simple as that. I don't have any plans to add more rules, and I don't have plans changing any of our policies anytime soon, however if their are things that posters feel could be done better or changed, I'm all ears for new ideas. However, taking out the Moderation team and allowing inappropriate or extreme content will NEVER happen.
As for your last statement Meechan, reporting a post isn't petty. It's helping to keep the peace and helping make the forums run smoothly and fairly. I do read through the majority of the posts, I dare say all of them, but after reading stuff hours at a time, I occasionally miss some things, as do the other moderators, which is why we implemented the "Report" feature a few years ago, to help us out. If something is missed in regards to a rule violation, and you notice it but decide not to report it, I think it's hardly fair to lay the blame on others. And I don't think Pav was implying that about missing posts, rather that the "higher-ups" are watching what the forum Moderators are actually doing, not so much not doing if that makes any sense?
Also, if any poster feels they were moderated unjustly or has any issues concerning the Forum Moderation Staff, that is what myself and the Elder Moderator Jamie are here for. You can always come to us with a PM in regards to Moderation issues.
Extreme and inappropriate content
Anything deemed politically extreme, pornographic, illegal, or unsavory in any way is prohibited in this game whether posted or referenced. Racist or ethnic bashing comments are forbidden even if used in jest. Mentioning drugs is allowed, but comments that play down the use of illegal drugs or promote the use of said substances are strictly forbidden. Please note that starring out words or characters like “F*ck” does not make it any less of a swear word. Censored words are still infractable. If the word isn’t violating any rules, it won’t need to be censored. All rules regarding inapproprate content apply also to abbreviations like “WTF” or “LMFAO” and suchalike.
I'm taking that in your example you are saying that one word was acceptable (or maybe over looked?) in one worlds forum and an infraction/warning is given in another worlds forum with the same word used. Moderators have the right to moderate each world as they see fit, as long as it complies with the basic set of forum rules. Some moderators may infract for lmao and some may just warn or overlook it, which I can understand the confusion in that, and it can be considered inappropriate content, but is something I need the posters to inform me of in a PM so we can make it more uniform. For future reference, "lmfao" will always be punishable, and so will words that are *'d out even if it didn't need to be censored.We don't want to lay down massive amounts of rules, or rather add anymore, which is what Pav was saying, as it doesn't make it fun anymore, but the rules we do have must be enforced since this is an ALL age friendly forum. When players breach a rule, it gets moderated, it's as simple as that. I don't have any plans to add more rules, and I don't have plans changing any of our policies anytime soon, however if their are things that posters feel could be done better or changed, I'm all ears for new ideas. However, taking out the Moderation team and allowing inappropriate or extreme content will NEVER happen.
As for your last statement Meechan, reporting a post isn't petty. It's helping to keep the peace and helping make the forums run smoothly and fairly. I do read through the majority of the posts, I dare say all of them, but after reading stuff hours at a time, I occasionally miss some things, as do the other moderators, which is why we implemented the "Report" feature a few years ago, to help us out. If something is missed in regards to a rule violation, and you notice it but decide not to report it, I think it's hardly fair to lay the blame on others. And I don't think Pav was implying that about missing posts, rather that the "higher-ups" are watching what the forum Moderators are actually doing, not so much not doing if that makes any sense?
Also, if any poster feels they were moderated unjustly or has any issues concerning the Forum Moderation Staff, that is what myself and the Elder Moderator Jamie are here for. You can always come to us with a PM in regards to Moderation issues.
DeletedUser
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I did complain about it, as I asked the moderator at the time to explain what part of the post as inappropriate. I had said LM(---)O but had not included the letter F, if I had I think it could be more justifiable as an infractionable post.
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As i said, the 'Key word' thing to stop any inappropriate content on your list being posted or mailed ingame ould be a benificial idea, not only does it stop it being posted it stops the diffrent views of Mod's on what is inappropriate coming into question. And I'm sure it would relieve Mod's of having to deal with those situations.
Edit: If I was to go around and report the posts that I feel break the rules but have not yet been dealt with, I would have been bnned a long time ago.
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As i said, the 'Key word' thing to stop any inappropriate content on your list being posted or mailed ingame ould be a benificial idea, not only does it stop it being posted it stops the diffrent views of Mod's on what is inappropriate coming into question. And I'm sure it would relieve Mod's of having to deal with those situations.
Edit: If I was to go around and report the posts that I feel break the rules but have not yet been dealt with, I would have been bnned a long time ago.
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DeletedUser
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I think the thing all the mods are forgetting is that they are the enforcers of the "Rules," so whilst they don't set it, they are in charge of them. The rules are not black and white, they are open to all sorts of interpretation - so it's the Mod's job to enforce the rules to A SUITABLE DEGREE. Abbreviations like the ones Meechan were talking about, are entirely appropriate, and why? Because if the so-called Children you are trying to protect against know what the abbreviation means then they are not the ones you are trying to protect from this type of wording. The problem comes when outright swearing is used, and racist/Obscenities are shared among the community which are deemed not appropriate.
DeletedUser
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Absolutely agree Olis, and I'm working on making it more uniformed in terms of moderation and age appropriate language, only just recently became a Forum Admin :icon_razz:
Meechan, since discussing specific infractions and whatnot is against our forum policy, send me a PM please. And you wouldn't have been banned for reporting posts, unless they are posts you yourself has made.
Meechan, since discussing specific infractions and whatnot is against our forum policy, send me a PM please. And you wouldn't have been banned for reporting posts, unless they are posts you yourself has made.
DeletedUser
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they give out admin "privileges" like candy, man.
