1- We don't get better deals, in fact if we weren't in the EU and thus a part of the common external tariff we could get better deals.
You appear to be ignoring this point every single time. It is fact that as part of the one of the biggest trading blocs we do benefit. Other countries can't exactly turn us down (a tactic the US often uses). We would not get better deals on our own, we just don't have the economic power to keep up with the bigger players. So they would have an advanjage over us.
2- I don't understand what you are trying to say here, it is easier to export to the EU? There would be no reason for them to put up tariffs, if they did that then we would do the same and that would damage them as much (if not more) than it damages us as I have said many countries outside of the EU have more trade per person with the EU than we do.
We aren't thr biggest trader within the EU, Germany is the economic powerhouse so tariffs could be implemented. And your argument that it would damage the others shows how closelty linked European coou tries aere and that evidently the union is fairly important.
3-This is just a stupid point, no EU country would declare war on us, and there are other international organisations that would deal with this such as NATO, UN etc. and the only country that really could would be France as we both have nukes, but they generally seem to dislike fighting so we are fine.
Well obviously now days its incredibly unlikely that a European neighbour would declare war on us. However, its aregued that the EU had a big part in getting us to that position. Plus, as memebership expands to places like Turkey it reduces the chance of conflict happening there.
4- The EU does help improve the economy's of other EU countries, however this is largely using our money to begin with, so the benefit of them being slightly more developed so our trade is very slightly better is hideously outweighed by how much we pay the EU.
As I mentioned earlier, the amount we pay in is comparatively small. Its not a huge amount more than our foreign aid, at least we actually see some of this back! See it as an investment, put a small bit of money into another EU country and we'll get it back through better trade.
5-The EU does deal with crime, the European arrest warrant is not a particularly good thing as it means that other countries can basically just take our people for things they other haven't even done and put them in prison, in prisons that are no where near the quality we have were their quality of life is unbearably low and they can't do anything about it even if they are innocent.
"Fair Trials International, the London-based human rights charity, claims to have highlighted a number of cases which demonstrate that the European Arrest Warrant system is causing serious injustice and jeopardizing the right to a fair trial. In particular
Warrants have been issued many years after an alleged offence was committed.
Once Warrants have been issued there is no effective way of removing them, even after extradition has been refused.
They have been used to send people to another EU member state to serve a prison sentence resulting from an unfair trial.
Warrants have been used to force a person to face trial when the charges are based on evidence obtained by police brutality.
Sometimes people surrendered under an Arrest Warrant have to spend months or even years in detention before they can appear in court to establish their innocence."
It is totally unjust.
Other European countries aren't deliberately looking out to lock up our people for no reason. The British justice system makes mistakes (sometimes terrible ones), does that mean we should abolish it?
Quality of prisons will soon become more constant thanks to EU harmonisation. Countries such as Turkey who wish to join will have to stop using torture etc.
There's always problems with a justice system, the extraditions to America people declare are unfair. At least this way we have equal extradition rights unlike the American one.
If the Britsh govrnment believes an extradition is unjust they can fight it. You've also got to consider the times when we can extradite criminals, I imagine many people would be pretty pissed if a criminal escaped into Europe and we couldn't do anyhting about it.
6- This is true and one of the only benefits of the EU, however it does mean that anyone sick in the EU can just go to the country with the best healthcare, resulting in that country getting hugely long waiting lists.
There's always gping to be long waiting lists, we're an overcrowded society. It makes sense others can get decent healthcare without geography being a barrier.
EU funding helps with health, hospitals overall will improve.
7- I can only quote "EU carbon trading scheme failing to cut pollution" I highly doubt that a centralised EU policy on the environment would be anywhere near as effective as if each country organised it themselves. Also, about any scheme on cutting global warming - the globe hasn't been warming in the last 5-10 years so I'm not entirely sure why it's there.
Global warming can not be solved by singular countries, it has to be an international thing. One country cutting emissions has little effect whereas a whole bloc has considerable effect. Also the EU can put pressure on other nations to cut their emmissions too.
They may have faield their target, but cutting by 20% was always going to be difficult and they've made more progress than going it alone would have.
I'm not going to go into an argument on global warming so I'll ignore that last point
8- Humans rights is a good argument as generally if anyone can just say that the thing they are arguing for is on the side of human rights the other side can't really do much, however I'm not to sure that the EU is actually concerned with the human rights
I will direct you here
http://www.ukip.org/content/video-zone/2057-human-rightsfest-needs-attention
and here
http://www.ukip.org/content/european-issues/520-what-does-the-eu-mean-by-human-rights
I'd say the EU is pretty concerned with Human rights. Its like one of its centeral pillars. Consider Turkey thats having to drastically improve its human rights if it wishes to join the EU
As for those articls my primary argument against them is that they're by UKIP
I only hold them in slightly higher regard than an article written by the BNP!
I'm going to include one of UKIP's top moment s in the European parliament for your viewing
There wer emany others of them being angry but this is the best.
Nazi slur - UKIP kicked out
I know that human rights are often used by terrorists etc, but should we just abloush them so we can get the odd terrorist? Also, it hardly makes a terrorist look good if they're using the system they hate so much to stay out of jail.
9- Care to explain how immigration has benefited us? The fundamental ideas of immigration are sound, you get skilled workers to move to your country and do jobs that people in your country can't do, however mass immigration of unskilled workers (which has happened) means that they takes jobs that our original citizens could have done, this means their are more people unemployed and on benefits, which damages the economy in general.
I admit immigration has got out of hand,though this is to do with government policy not EU.
Without immigration much of our country would fall apart, its an important part of our country. Obviously its not worth going over the top but immigration is needed. Also, British citizens regularly move abroad thanks to EU legislation making it easier so plenty here benefit too.
10 - I don;t think it is anywhere near enough, you have addressed one single point which I have accepted. The others were quite inferior arguments.
I hope I've explained these "inferior" arguments to your understanding
If you want an extra point, EU countries work together to combat terrorism. Terrorism is international so you need bigger bodies to deal with it.
