The Nephilim Have Had Enough

DeletedUser · Apr 20, 2010

Apoc are in no relation to SPQR (as far as i am aware of) adding your own little squabbles does not change proper stats.
Changing the timeframe to suit you i also dont think is very good.

Side 1:
Tribes: ui: Jacks
Players: pabi

Side 2:
Tribes: SPQR Egg Death{ Death}
Players:

Timeframe: Forever

Total conquers:

Side 1: 2,892
Side 2: 5,453
Difference: 2,561

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 103
Side 2: 218
Difference: 115

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 19,612,085
Side 2: 36,319,280
Difference: 16,707,195

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 873,035
Side 2: 2,009,041
Difference: 1,136,006

DeletedUser · Apr 20, 2010

Iakovosian said:
P.S. For those hard-liners out there who object to the Apoc family being included, despite their involvement in proceedings, here is the data for the last week with them omitted:

I don't even know this family - where the hell did they come from ? :icon_confused:

And how do you know? Also, I don't think either Egg or SPQR have relation with them so?? Its like us adding a random tribe which we noble and saying there on the opposite side :icon_rolleyes:

Also, tbh Egg and Ui: are very far apart now. We are attack Where? While SPQR are assissting and attacking ui: and Jacks.

Another point, all the talk from ui: has silenced :icon_eek: - not a surprise when a tribe actual attacks back :icon_eek:

And if you see closer SPQR are holding out despite inactivity. At least they don't quit like Jungle :icon_cool:

DeletedUser · Apr 20, 2010

Adding pabi (the biggest inactive of the year and kind of a fail) to suit one side is probably not very good either. Producing stats for a war which hasn't even got interesting yet is rather pointless.

DeletedUser · Apr 20, 2010

BrethrenHamster said:
Adding pabi (the biggest inactive of the year and kind of a fail)

But, he did not just go inactive. The day before our attacks he was active. The day after the attacks he could not handle it. I wouldn't blame him having 34 attacks coming from around 30 players. around 1000 +++ attacks. Not knowing whats fake and whats not is annoying when u have that many :icon_rolleyes:

But, its ui: vs Egg anymore - ui are couple continents away.

its few members of Egg & few members of SPQR vs Where

and ui: & jacks vs SPQR and Death family :icon_razz:

DeletedUser · Apr 20, 2010

@Remote:

Well, since this thread is about Neph/Jacks, I thought it would be appropriate to include a family of tribes that they are attacking and could be considered 'at war' with. Correct me if I am using improper logic here.

As for the comparison time scales, I'm pretty sure the war hasn't been going on forever. I followed the time scale of a previous post, and then added data filtered to the last week. I apologise if this was somehow biasing the data. I also decided not to include every player that has left a tribe since the war began. If you want to add them in, then you might as well include all of them rather than just the one. At any rate, the player you chose has not had any villages nobled in the past week (the timeframe used), though admittedly they did loose a fair few villages in the past month.

As I said before, just by looking at conquer counts does not give you a full account of all that happens (obviously). We would likely see a very different picture if we were able to see every nuke, noble, and stack that was lost.

In reply to the more recent posts, not every tribe in a war has to be attacking every enemy tribe involved. I would have thought that self-apparent.

Anyway, people will always pick and choose the stats/data that most favours them. I tried to make my post fairly neutral, yet still relevant to Neph/Jacks. Apologies if you don't agree.

DeletedUser · Apr 21, 2010

Iakovosian said:
@Remote:

Well, since this thread is about Neph/Jacks, I thought it would be appropriate to include a family of tribes that they are attacking and could be considered 'at war' with. Correct me if I am using improper logic here.

As for the comparison time scales, I'm pretty sure the war hasn't been going on forever. I followed the time scale of a previous post, and then added data filtered to the last week. I apologise if this was somehow biasing the data. I also decided not to include every player that has left a tribe since the war began. If you want to add them in, then you might as well include all of them rather than just the one. At any rate, the player you chose has not had any villages nobled in the past week (the timeframe used), though admittedly they did loose a fair few villages in the past month.

As I said before, just by looking at conquer counts does not give you a full account of all that happens (obviously). We would likely see a very different picture if we were able to see every nuke, noble, and stack that was lost.

In reply to the more recent posts, not every tribe in a war has to be attacking every enemy tribe involved. I would have thought that self-apparent.

Anyway, people will always pick and choose the stats/data that most favours them. I tried to make my post fairly neutral, yet still relevant to Neph/Jacks. Apologies if you don't agree.

Apoc started attacking NEPH before the SPQR war therfore they are irrelevant.

DeletedUser · Apr 21, 2010

i think the pt iakovosian is trying to make is, the fact that they arent doing too bad considering how many tribes they are currently at war with.

DeletedUser · Apr 21, 2010

Chocolate Donut said:
i think the pt iakovosian is trying to make is, the fact that they arent doing too bad considering how many tribes they are currently at war with.

can i say im having a war with zulu then? they are on ui: side. WELL no cos its logically stupid.

You cannot say a tribe is on the opponents side when they have no contact :icon_rolleyes:

DeletedUser · Apr 21, 2010

Even if that is true, 3 vs 1

I think we're doing quite well considering we are surrounded

DeletedUser · Apr 21, 2010

yes i agree with you mitch. but i think in this case iakovosian is not using stats to show the nobling of two sides in a war, but using the stats to show how jack are doing in all their wars

DeletedUser5560 · Apr 22, 2010

BrethrenHamster said:
Adding pabi (the biggest inactive of the year and kind of a fail) to suit one side is probably not very good either. Producing stats for a war which hasn't even got interesting yet is rather pointless.

I would disagree for three reasons:

1, ui have always counted total villages won including those of Pabi and Celph in their war against SPQR.

So it seems it's okay to include their conquers when it suits ui but not okay to include conquers against them. This argument people keep using about players being inactive - Pabi went inactive when attacked and starting to lose villages. He was quite happy to noble up inactives though including the Ruffus villages that SPQR cleared!

2, ui was attacking and conquering northern isolated SPQR villages even before they declared a war.

3, Take a look at our K and take a look at ui's K and tell me how succesful ui have been at penetrating our K. They haven't. Take a look at their K and you will see that actually ui have failed to remove SPQR and we are conquering their villages in their K! Lost Password, King Rees and Lunchbox all quit having lost their nukes and when being attacked back.

DeletedUser · Apr 22, 2010

The one thing in war is that both sides will put their own spin on the situation. The reality (without spin) is that the situation is mainly stalemate on all sides, some inactives falling and other tribes jumping on the band waggon and making little headway.

This will be a long war (we all know it) and at the end of the day comes down to stamina as mush as anything else.

There are not that any noobs around in our Ks, most people know what they are doing and very few will fall easily. Lets look at this again in a month or so and see the situation then.

DeletedUser · Apr 22, 2010

mrchief said:
There are not that any noobs around in our Ks, most people know what they are doing and very few will fall easily. Lets look at this again in a month or so and see the situation then.

Agreed 500 point barbs are hard - im tryna do one myself today :icon_razz:

DeletedUser · Apr 22, 2010

So mitch please state the last time I nobled a 500 point barb?

I have your barb list my friend and you have nobled far more barbs than me. I take it your account has changed hands because you used to talk sense.

DeletedUser · Apr 22, 2010

DeletedUser · Apr 22, 2010

mrchief said:
MITCH BARB LIST

|102| WE OWN! (521|505) K55 9,881 Abandoned mitchnom [Egg] 2010-04-22 05:27:19
|103| WE OWN! (517|551) K55 7,913 Abandoned mitchnom [Egg] 2010-04-22 05:22:30
|101| WE OWN! (517|507) K55 10,152 Abandoned mitchnom [Egg] 2010-04-22 01:16:42
099| Omelette? (553|502) K55 9,657 Abandoned mitchnom [Egg] 2010-04-20 20:01:41
|097| Omelette? (518|505) K55 9,220 Abandoned mitchnom [Egg] 2010-04-20 01:52:29
|003| Omelette? (532|533) K55 6,272 Abandoned mitchnom [Egg] 2010-01-03 20:08:37
|023| Omelette? (533|532) K55 8,589 Abandoned mitchnom [Egg] 2009-12-30 20:36:36
|031| Error (541|530) K55 1,610 Abandoned mitchnom [~BBD~] 2009-11-21 15:57:17

*Cough* they all had troops in them. And many of them quit after seeing attacks. And they are relitvely high pointers :lol:

mrchief said:
So mitch please state the last time I nobled a 500 point barb?

I have your barb list my friend and you have nobled far more barbs than me. I take it your account has changed hands because you used to talk sense.

Look to your own mitch before criticising me

I wasn't particular criticizing you but other members of your tribe. But since you insist:

044 The Nephilim (651|482) K46 1,121 Abandoned mrchief [Jack] 2010-04-03 11:25:14
043 The Nephilim (651|483) K46 1,415 Abandoned mrchief [Jack] 2010-04-02 10:13:37
042 The Nephilim (655|479) K46 679 Abandoned mrchief [Jack] 2010-04-01 11:21:21
035 The Nephilim (695|407) K46 522 Abandoned mrchief [Jack] 2010-03-17 22:44:21
034 The Nephilim (695|406) K46 533 Abandoned mrchief [Jack] 2010-03-17 02:44:05
030 The Nephilim (655|457) K46 1,071 Abandoned mrchief [Jack] 2010-03-08 02:33:22
021 The Nephilim (651|468) K46 1,321 Abandoned mrchief [S e] 2010-02-16 15:37:27
019 The Nephilim (654|464) K46 2,370 Abandoned mrchief [S e] 2010-02-12 20:22:37
018 The Nephilim (653|462) K46 3,812 Abandoned mrchief [S e] 2010-02-11 20:10:48
017 The Nephilim (651|464) K46 1,520 Abandoned mrchief [S e] 2010-02-11 10:26:44
004 The Nephilim (661|462) K46 918 Abandoned mrchief [chop!!] 2010-01-02 21:37:44
002 The Nephilim (658|459) K46 506 Abandoned mrchief [chop!!] 2009-12-16 09:09:01

So, Thats the barb list 2 of my barbs equals that. Also, internals have to be done or do you want inactives taking space? :icon_rolleyes:

mrchief said:
Iyou have nobled far more barbs than me.

Even if that is true which probably is. You take empty villages i dont. Barbs dont necessarily mean an empty village :icon_rolleyes:

DeletedUser · Apr 22, 2010

Give it a rest the both of you,please.

DeletedUser · Apr 22, 2010

Also look at my ODA jump (equal to ranking at time of post) while taking those internals, they had troops in them Mitch, but you fail to mention that.

This little spat is not going to be won Mitch we operate in our relevant areas.

We know that internals are necessary, (but you started slinging that ammo)

Sometimes it is necessary to take a barb, my ODA is three times my points respectable despite your recent assault. Personally Iwould call this a truce up to you

DeletedUser · Apr 22, 2010

Remote said:
Give it a rest the both of you,please.

Biggsy's on to you no0b :icon_biggrin:

I will do now. I think i drummed up the point that Jacks like 500 points barbs :icon_rolleyes:

DeletedUser5560 · Apr 23, 2010

mrchief said:
The one thing in war is that both sides will put their own spin on the situation. The reality (without spin) is that the situation is mainly stalemate on all sides, some inactives falling and other tribes jumping on the band waggon and making little headway.

This will be a long war (we all know it) and at the end of the day comes down to stamina as mush as anything else.

There are not that any noobs around in our Ks, most people know what they are doing and very few will fall easily. Lets look at this again in a month or so and see the situation then.

No spin required, look at the maps! Count the dots, how many ui villages do you see in our K?

As for revisiting this in a month, erm, didn't you promise Red Star to revisit matters in a week? He's still here mrchief and unlike you, we haven't changed our name or mass recruited lately.

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