"Sorry. Startup isn't a good judge of skill. I think on UK1, I proved myself to be the better. Not to mention other worlds prior to UK1, and UK4 currently. You are suggesting this self-destructing noob is better than a rank 1 player?"
you alone are not a rank 1 player.
Yes, that's true, I doubt I could take rank 1 on my own, though I think since learning a few things on UK4, I could make a better attempt this time.
grant alone is
Not really, he wouldn't have kept his rank 1 for so long on UK4 without my assistance.
miggy alone is
Perhaps, however, he ususally coplays. Take Sadaron Dusaro on UK5 where he coplayed with Petar. Of UK4 when he, Grant and Namaz combined forces as per usual. There is nothing wrong with coplaying, as long as all coplayers are capable and know what they are doing. I can farm in excess of 3000 villages per 12 hours. Currently, since starting my farm runs around 11am, to 4pm currently, I've farmed 1896 villages so far. In 5 hours. So while I admit I don't *like* farming, I'd like to see people try and consistently farm 2k villages within 6 hours, without cheating and sending 1 lc to a barb repeatedly. PROPER FARMING.
i dont doubt u are of high-ish quality but without the great start smile had, and grants ability u would not be their. (like u said said, ur not good at start up)
Absolutely correct. I am assisting Grant however, and my contribution to the account since joining has been of importance, as I also have to lead Bi! as well as farm; something Grant would prefer I did because of my previous leadership experience. Though tbh, its simply a matter of two heads are better than one, and there is great respect between myself and Grant, and we work as a team to destroy our opponents. I do not feel hard done by when he is off getting drunk while I'm farming, for example.
start up is a fair judge of skill, if u cant do start up u dont even make it into later game, so is an essential skill packet one must acquire to be deemed good at tw. + theres tactics used in start up that u will use throughout the game.
Usually when I get past start-up, I'm able to be more impressive as a player. I'm quite good at getting by, I'm not that good at achieving a rank 1 at start up. Tactics in startup are also very different to tactics in late game, though similarities are also there. Backtiming is more significant in start up than late game. I have only ever backtimed in startup. Never late-game. I have no need to. Usually my opponent is demolished or on the defensive when fighting me.
"yet could one not say that on w5 you did exactly the same.
I don't recall catting myself because its impossible to do so when you only have one village.
in one hand u flame dubby for this, yet you expect to resign whilst 1v1'ing against dubby and not expect the same opinions of you.
Well, I accepted criticism yes, because initially when I quit UK5, I wanted to quit TribalWars entirely. The only reason I didn't is because Grant talked me into coplaying with him on UK4 under Smile? Otherwise I wouldn't be here posting on these very forums. Yes, I surrendered to an extent. But for people to assume because of my surrender due to RL, that Dubby is better, is just foolish. Within a week after I "surrendered" to RL, Dubby himself was nobled and defeated fair and square. He didn't quit. He got crushed and lost his main. So hypothetically, had I stuck around for another week, perhaps Dubby would've been rimmed before me? Who knows?
I'm sorry for valuing my RL over TribalWars. Forgive me, o mighty nerdy one.
u cannot say dubby lost, and also say your 1v1 is inconclusive in the same breath, as they contradict each other.
Dubby did lose, and the 1v1 is inconclusive because it didn't last beyond startup, Dubby had no influence in me quitting, and because Dubby got rimmed/lost his main soon after I left.
also adellion, u cannot say you are better than dubby full stop."
1. u dodge my point. u deleted and lost before dubby even had chance to noble you, similarly to what u are accusing dubby of doing when faced up with w1n, this is not different, regardless of it being catting yourself or deleteing, both do not allow stats to tell a story regardless.
Dubby wouldn't have been able to noble me though. He was 10 hours out, and since it was a packet world, he can't send trains, and I can snipe all 3 noble trains with perfect efficiency. All I'd have to do is kill two of his nobles and he's setback a large amount of resources and time. And I'm *very* well practised at sending and sniping T trains, its a personal favourite of mine.
2. everyone values life over tw, im not saying quiting was a wrong move, im saying u quit similarly to dubby effectively removing himself with w1n, yet your a chief flamer of his, yet still demand that u are better than him, when u both had similar situations.
W1N was a grave threat to Dubby on UK1, Dubby was not even a threat to me on UK5. This is the elementary difference. I am fully confident had I stayed around, Dubby would not have been able to clear me in the first place, and he *certainly* would not be able to noble me, as my sniping skills are far too good for his trains.
Ignorance. I am a very good defender, I have achieved a top 20 ODD on my own on w14.net, and single-handedly held a frontline which I was spread all over. Therefore, I'd simply make W1N's life difficult until I was either recruited or rimmed. I would fight till the last village if necessary.
apologies i dont recall any addelions on .net. that being said its easier said than done. maybe over confidence in your ability would turn you away from dubbies decision, and instead foolishly defend when u could make it possible make it doable for your tribes mates.
Yep, W14 & W30 are the worlds I played on ages ago. I was on Adellion on W14. I quit. Came back after a month and took over another account. Stayed on that for about a year. Then quit.
W30 I grew from startup to just under 2mil on my own account (Adellion), while being duke of Oubliette, which achieved a highest rank of rank 2. The tribe was eventually defeated and I joined another tribe and continued fighting there. I then quit afterwards when I joined UK1.
"Who has the bigger reputation still? Stephen Hawking is a legendary scientist. Even the greatest makes a mistake. You should be thankful of the truths he has told, rather than criticising what few faults he has."
which is exactly why we listen to evidence, regardless for who says it, theres no point disregarding amateurs, if a expert has a even the smallest chance of being wrong.
Usually the experts have tested their theories very well. Mistakes are made, but they are very rare, and usually due to human error. Since all humans are susceptible to that, and amateurs are susceptible to much more, I would rather believe the expert over the amateur until proven otherwise.
if that leap of faith means jumping off a cliff which expert adellion says we will land safely, id rather listen to the amature who is shaking his head frantically,
Experts don't suggest retarded things like that.
else its splat
btw me and i dotn believe anyone is arguing experts of a subject have precedence doing what they are doing, and that there opinion should be considered.
however u compare a expert in its field talking to a hermit scenario.
where as we are all tribal wars players of some standard, so even the expert of the experts is not a world away from a semi pro tw player.
this isnt a doctor taking to a 12 year old about brains surgery.
this is metaphorically a group of accomplished doctors, who under stand the fundamentals, and just babel about the finer elements, in which case all can have a say and have credible opinions.
True to an extent, however many forum posters are pretty substandard. The best posters are those with the most powerful accounts, the majority of those being in W1N, hence why this forum is (rightfully) W1N dominated. Its hard to argue with the best after all. And you give too much credit to noobs. Its not a group of accomplished doctors. There are accomplished doctors, normal doctors, and then noobs. Noobs don't have credible opinions. That's the definition of a noob. Being useless at TribalWars. Scorched earth tactics are a very nooby thing to do, as anyone in W1N will tell you. :icon_rolleyes:
else they would ban posters under x points? which ill be dammed if that ever happens.
Points don't measure it perfectly, but yes to an extent, players will *very* low points could be considered either very inactive, or noob. The forums don't ban them because they shouldn't. The forums are free for all (except rule-breakers).
in interested to how u define who is eligible to be listened to. baring in mind we all have strengths and weaknesses, to what do u dub a opinion worthy poster?
Not supporting people who advocate scorched earth tactics, might be in your favour.
Players with proven track records as good players in previous and other worlds (i.e. top 20 points/ODA/ODD/ODT without pointwhoring/nuking stacks repeatedly/being stacked to the brim and not doing anything respectively). (e.g. Nauzhror, Purple Predator, Thargoran, many in W1N, myself (w14, w30 & UK4 currently))
Players who are known as reputable leaders and proven to have been dukes/barons of top 10 tribes on previous worlds (e.g. Blue Hunger (CHE/HAM/EGG legacy w6 w17, w30), Purple Predator again (TARDIS w30 i can recall), Thargoran (n00bs legacy) myself (Oubliette w30 legacy)
Players who are some of the finest on the current world in question (UK1) due to their ranks. They do not necessarily have to be top 20, but well regarded on the TW battlefield as names to be feared when facing them. (i.e. Abdo, Roch2001, Anti-Shaft, WeekendWarrior, Timmyhill, The Templars, Ady1 (both old and me) and many others, the list is long).
Players who lead some of the strongest tribes on the current world in question (UK1) (e.g. Luke Bishop/JudgeReeiik duke of W1N, BrianL duke of T4H, Timmyhill duke of Flux and some various other dukes of *good* tribes)
To a lesser extent, players who are reputable forum personalities and post logical and informative and intelligent posts.(e.g. YallGotPwned (despite his poor showing on UK1, he has some rep), HotFusion, Rena Ryuugu, Tracey, Thargoran, myself (despite opposition, I do hold a lot of reputation regardless).
Its not just one thing, its a combination of these, the more categories you are in, the stronger your opinion should be. For example, since I know myself better than anyone else, I have achieved a top 20 rank on w14. I have duked a rank 2 tribe on w30. That is all previous experience. I defended against an entire tribes' offence (LiO) when I was OPed on, without any village losses despite repeated noble trains on UK1, under the name Adellion. I then conducted an OP and was able to dock around 100-150k from Permador within the space of 15 seconds. Only myself and Kyorard managed to noble on the exact correct second, the other players wear a few seconds delayed. Nevertheless they hit home very well. That's skill.
I then took a rank 242 ODA account and over time, kept it consistently within the top 20 ODA ranks. I won't deny I got hit in retaliation as well, an ODD rank of 1156 increasing to around 80 with no losses and only minimal short-term support to assist me. I'm sure Timmyhill will recall a village he attempted at three of times within a few hours to noble, only to be sniped or renobled at every opportunity while I held the village until defence from 60 hours away arrived to support it.
I confess I am not a leader persay of any UK1 tribe, although I had spells as baron of CHE!!! and W1N. Though I never created a tribe, merely joined those that were already made.
There are many who do seek my advice and discuss superior gameplay issues with me, over skype, in my tribe Bi! which I have the pleasure of leading, I am well-versed in many advanced TribalWars tactics, much more so than Dubby is, in terms of fighting. I am notoriously lazy and do not farm very much, but when I want to, I can beat the entire world (as proven by plunderer of the day on UK4). As all experts make mistakes, indeed not even the current duke of W1N would suggest he is perfect, I can say I slipped up and surrendered to persue my real life on UK5, and yes for that reason it could be seen as a defeat for me. That being said, there are some that would assume that *had* I stayed on, the possibility of me eventually beating Dubby is high, and as a result do not suggest that Dubby is better.
This is reinforced by the foolish scorched earth tactics and anti-W1N spin-brigade that Dubby spews that weakens his credibility has a good player and a good poster. One should learn not to become obsessively critical, and even I have paid a few compliments to Dubby on rare occassions. I do not do so anymore because I fear he will use them to his PnP advantage and twist my words once more, therefore I will keep my compliments for more deserving PnP posters.
