The British Empire

[DeletedUser]

Ok i have just reab back on all the posts and i am from Britain but i will not be biased, saying this as like a 1v1 Uk vs USA.

Point 1 - The Uk supposedly has the best trained military forces in the world but the size of the military lacks, most troops are stationed abroad for peace keeping(so they say), one of the best air forces if not the best and one of the best navel fleepts which will soon have the best war head ships in the world soon as they are being built know.

Point 2 - Despit the things i pointed out in point 1 american has a much larger force so they would be able to overwhelm the Uk almost instantly, the Uk could never and i mean never invade the USA as it has too big of a land mass but the USA could actually take the UK in a day with good planning as we are much smaller.

Point 3 - As said before the Uk has a good RAF, but we all forgoet that the USA has stealth bombers which they will not even give the blueprints to build them to us their best and longest allies, stealth's could whipe the Uk out in a few days we wouldnt even see it coming

Point 4 - Nuke's, the US has alot more then the UK so we would be buggered their

Point 5- It would never happen we Hug too much

 

[DeletedUser]

Ok i have just reab back on all the posts and i am from Britain but i will not be biased, saying this as like a 1v1 Uk vs USA.

Point 1 - The Uk supposedly has the best trained military forces in the world but the size of the military lacks, most troops are stationed abroad for peace keeping(so they say), one of the best air forces if not the best and one of the best navel fleepts which will soon have the best war head ships in the world soon as they are being built know.

Point 2 - Despit the things i pointed out in point 1 american has a much larger force so they would be able to overwhelm the Uk almost instantly, the Uk could never and i mean never invade the USA as it has too big of a land mass but the USA could actually take the UK in a day with good planning as we are much smaller.

Point 3 - As said before the Uk has a good RAF, but we all forgoet that the USA has stealth bombers which they will not even give the blueprints to build them to us their best and longest allies, stealth's could whipe the Uk out in a few days we wouldnt even see it coming

Point 4 - Nuke's, the US has alot more then the UK so we would be buggered their

Point 5- It would never happen we Hug too much

1. Stealth is not invincible, it just makes it harder to spot on radar. No aircraft is 100% invisible to radar because anti-air radar is always advancing.

2. UK is a permanent member of the UN security council and a member of NATO, no war crimes or reason for invading. So invading or even attacking the UK is an act of war against NATO, although the US is a member of NATO they would be struck null and void from the organization for attacking a fellow member, this will also be attac against the EU and the EU's allies.

Northern Africa and possibly the entire Arab League. After that Israel would be it's only ally in the entire area and they would not enter a war at this scale, they would rather defend against the massive hoardes who thanks to failed American middle east policy got advanced weapons without making any real change of shifting much towards pro-us relations.

3. Russia could supply the United Kingdom with Brahmos missiles for a price, they most advanced anti-ship missile in the world they could be used by the Royal navy and any EU navy and air-force to launch against the carriers of the United States, once a few carriers have been sunk it's pretty much game over for any major US assault.

4. On that note what about the commonwealth, i'm not to sure they'll be happy about the UK getting invaded. Even nations like India, Malaysia, Nigeria and Australia could send support.

5. Also such a large scale invasion would need quite a few troops and take a lot of equipment, many nations that don't really like the United States like Venezuela, Iran and North Korea could use this time to cause some trouble in their neck of the woods.

6. Nukes are for losers. >_>

 

[DeletedUser]

On the basis of the UK going to war with the US you have to take a look at other points then potential enemys of the US and UK, and potential allies.

A war like the UK going against US would be massive for the whole of the world. Iran for example would feel no longer Policed by Iran, and simply invade its neighbours, seeing as Iran is the strongest in my opinion in that area of the world.

That Russia and Germany, two power hungry country's shown before by history would simply also view everyone else as good due to no longer being policed by its neighbours, simply because they would be busy looking each themselves.

Effectively, China would also be freed up. At least, America wouldn't be able to send enough reinforcements by them time China would declare on America, due to history and the simply fact who they are. China would then probably invade its surrounded neighbours of Korea, ect.

Effectively, in power rankings, America is meant to be 1st, and the UK 3rd or 4th. If these two super powers went to war, everyone else would. World war would be upon us.

You have to also think about humanity in general. Would they risk nuclear winter for war? Would they? Perhaps a mutal pact between everyone not to have nuclear weapons. Or to use them. But would that happen? no... of course it would.

The simply fact is, nobody will go to war, at least those with a nuclear arsenal, simply because of the effects a nuclear strike could have.

Sorry to go into fiction, but the base story line of terminator was enough. Yes, we won't be invade by robots, but we will certainly kill our world.

 

[DeletedUser]

On the basis of the UK going to war with the US you have to take a look at other points then potential enemys of the US and UK, and potential allies.

A war like the UK going against US would be massive for the whole of the world. Iran for example would feel no longer Policed by Iran, and simply invade its neighbours, seeing as Iran is the strongest in my opinion in that area of the world.

That Russia and Germany, two power hungry country's shown before by history would simply also view everyone else as good due to no longer being policed by its neighbours, simply because they would be busy looking each themselves.

Effectively, China would also be freed up. At least, America wouldn't be able to send enough reinforcements by them time China would declare on America, due to history and the simply fact who they are. China would then probably invade its surrounded neighbours of Korea, ect.

Effectively, in power rankings, America is meant to be 1st, and the UK 3rd or 4th. If these two super powers went to war, everyone else would. World war would be upon us.

You have to also think about humanity in general. Would they risk nuclear winter for war? Would they? Perhaps a mutal pact between everyone not to have nuclear weapons. Or to use them. But would that happen? no... of course it would.

The simply fact is, nobody will go to war, at least those with a nuclear arsenal, simply because of the effects a nuclear strike could have.

Sorry to go into fiction, but the base story line of terminator was enough. Yes, we won't be invade by robots, but we will certainly kill our world.

wat?

1. Iran are not the power everyone claims them to be. They have stuff left over from the 70's. They don't have modern tanks or aircraft, they only have a military industry to produce their own light armour, some UAV's and to service their current equipment. Saudi Arabia are the biggest military power in the region.

2. Russia are undergoing a massive reform and modernization of their entire armed forces, they are far from ready to get involved in any major world war, only take part in peacekeeping operations and minor operations against small countries. Germany? :lol: Germany's government dont hold expansionist views and they are concentrated on improving their economy and supporting the EU, the very fact that you bought up Germany is quite funny.

3. The PRC are not going to go to war with one of their largest trading partners it would damage their economy, also like Russia their military is not ready for any large scale operations, their navy is going through modernization and won't be ready for years and their air-force and army are doing the same thing. China's military won't be ready for any large scale war until 10 years time methinks. Invading Korea would be one massive mistake, China will not declare war on the US or South Korea.

4. Well the United States is meant to be first, it's sure first in the rankings of a military power however at everything else, like education, healthcare and income equality it scores pretty low. Canada performs pretty well on these rankings, as well as Singapore I believe.

5. Only a simpleton would use nuclear weapons, it would be country suicide.

I'd also like to point out that the new Eurofighter Typhoon and SU-37BM are awesome aircraft.

 

[DeletedUser]

Simpleton in you're opinion.

The powers that would be are human. 'Nuff said.

 

[DeletedUser613]

Simpleton in you're opinion.

The powers that would be are human. 'Nuff said.

No, just a simpleton. You nuke , you get nuked. Everybody loses.

 

[DeletedUser]

USSR

That is all

 

[DeletedUser]

The simply fact is, nobody will go to war, at least those with a nuclear arsenal, simply because of the effects a nuclear strike could have.

This is interesting. There have been many occasions where nuclear-armed nations have waged war. America has had many wars since 1945. UK territory has been invaded. The fact that these countries have nuclear weapons has not been an absolute deterant. India and Pakistan have been at war even though they both had nuclear weapons.

 

[DeletedUser]

This is interesting. There have been many occasions where nuclear-armed nations have waged war. America has had many wars since 1945. UK territory has been invaded. The fact that these countries have nuclear weapons has not been an absolute deterant. India and Pakistan have been at war even though they both had nuclear weapons.

Nobody is willing to engage in nuclear war.

 

[DeletedUser]

on the contrary, there are lots of crazy peole about.

 

[DeletedUser]

Nobody is willing to engage in nuclear war.

Its far more likely terrorist groups would get their hands on it, and they'd have no trouble using it. They'd most likely start a nuclear war if they used one.

In some of the more tense situations around the Middle East. Not saying that a country there would use a nuke, but its a far more distinct possibility thatn say Russia or the US using one.

Plus things do get rather tense between India and Pakistan though I'm fairly sure they wouldn't go that far, but you can't really tell how they'd act in an extreme situation. Especially when you consider Pakistans proximity to the taliban

 

[DeletedUser613]

Its far more likely terrorist groups would get their hands on it, and they'd have no trouble using it. They'd most likely start a nuclear war if they used one.

In some of the more tense situations around the Middle East. Not saying that a country there would use a nuke, but its a far more distinct possibility thatn say Russia or the US using one.

Plus things do get rather tense between India and Pakistan though I'm fairly sure they wouldn't go that far, but you can't really tell how they'd act in an extreme situation. Especially when you consider Pakistans proximity to the taliban

Im fairly sure nuclear weapons will have enough security to deal with a few terrorists.
Even if a situation is tense, most people aren't crazy enough to trade the lives of millions of their enemies for millions of their people.

 

[DeletedUser]

i think the scenario doomdealer was thinking about was one where a terrorist group manages to get their hands on one of the many soviet devices that went missing since 1989. a bomb in tel aviv, a false flag implicating iran - it could lead to nuclear war.

 

[DeletedUser613]

i think the scenario doomdealer was thinking about was one where a terrorist group manages to get their hands on one of the many soviet devices that went missing since 1989. a bomb in tel aviv, a false flag implicating iran - it could lead to nuclear war.

yeah, put the flag beside the nuclear bomb, thats beleivable

 

[DeletedUser]

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I myself think Britian should re-claim the ROI, for obvious reasons then advance on France. I am a firm believer that the British could take America, but first they need to get cosy with America

I think some of us have been playing TW too long. :icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes:
In WW I the British Empire lost many of it's colonies abroad during the war to end all wars. Some of those colonies were ceded to America, at that time an emerging power, through right of possession after the cease fire. Britain spent vast amounts of resources and wealth in defence of other nations.

During WWII the British Empire had committed forces from all dominions all over the world. India. Australia and New Zealand. Canada. South Africa. Rhodesia, Nepal, Burma, Malayasia, Ceylon, and many many more. These countries all had to borrow money and weapons from America to continue the fight. Consequently the U.S.A cemented their position as a super power by virtue of these immense debts and their developement of nuclear weapons. Britain however was still regarded as one of the Big Four. (America, Great Britain, U.S.S.R. and France)

At the end of the war, Great Britain went to the polls and voted in the Labour Party. At that time the socialist stance was that it was almost a sin to be patriotic, and that all nations should be treated as equal. Collate that with the fact that all nations have their own politicians who crave power, and it was inevitable that the Empire's power was disseminated and lost in a myriad of countries.
The British Government of the day was weak and allowed the passive resistance of Mahatma Ghandi to prevail and ceded independence to India in 1947. Other nations clamoured for the same priviliges and the Empire was dissolved to form a Commonwealth. Disaster. Many of those countries descended into civil war and fratricide. Some of them are still at it.
The legacy the Brits left behind far outweighs the negatives of their occupation. You don't hear of African warriors impaling prisoners any more, they no longer eat each other in the Philippines, and Americans have their own brand of slightly amended democracy. There are roads and schools and hospitals, providing the itinerant population haven't destroyed them in the individual pursuit of a lust for power, and most countries under the Pax Brittanica have some form of government and legal systems.

Simplistic, yes, but that's how it was, in a nutshell.

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[DeletedUser613]

Reclaim the ROI, lol, let em try.

 

[DeletedUser]

In WW I the British Empire lost many of it's colonies abroad during the war to end all wars. Some of those colonies were ceded to America, at that time an emerging power, through right of possession after the cease fire.

this is news to me. any evidence for this?

 

[DeletedUser]

Im fairly sure nuclear weapons will have enough security to deal with a few terrorists.
Even if a situation is tense, most people aren't crazy enough to trade the lives of millions of their enemies for millions of their people.

Pakistan is pretty close to the taliban and other organisations that might like to get their hands on the bomb. And as onetruth said, theres probably some of the cold war stuff still floating around.

If they managed to infiltrate a base, its quite possible they could get hold of one. They can be quite sneaky when they need to be.

I'm fairly sure that countries work together to keep such weapons out of the hands of those who could cause problems with them. I beleive there was talk of the US helping Pakistan guard their weapons.


And on the topic of WW1 colonies, I don't think any were ceded to America, they just put pressure on nations to make them decolonise.

 

[DeletedUser]

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I myself think Britian should re-claim the ROI, for obvious reasons then advance on France. I am a firm believer that the British could take America, but first they need to get cosy with America

I think some of us have been playing TW too long. :icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes:
In WW I the British Empire lost many of it's colonies abroad during the war to end all wars. Some of those colonies were ceded to America, at that time an emerging power, through right of possession after the cease fire. Britain spent vast amounts of resources and wealth in defence of other nations.

During WWII the British Empire had committed forces from all dominions all over the world. India. Australia and New Zealand. Canada. South Africa. Rhodesia, Nepal, Burma, Malayasia, Ceylon, and many many more. These countries all had to borrow money and weapons from America to continue the fight. Consequently the U.S.A cemented their position as a super power by virtue of these immense debts and their developement of nuclear weapons. Britain however was still regarded as one of the Big Four. (America, Great Britain, U.S.S.R. and France)

At the end of the war, Great Britain went to the polls and voted in the Labour Party. At that time the socialist stance was that it was almost a sin to be patriotic, and that all nations should be treated as equal. Collate that with the fact that all nations have their own politicians who crave power, and it was inevitable that the Empire's power was disseminated and lost in a myriad of countries.
The British Government of the day was weak and allowed the passive resistance of Mahatma Ghandi to prevail and ceded independence to India in 1947. Other nations clamoured for the same priviliges and the Empire was dissolved to form a Commonwealth. Disaster. Many of those countries descended into civil war and fratricide. Some of them are still at it.
The legacy the Brits left behind far outweighs the negatives of their occupation. You don't hear of African warriors impaling prisoners any more, they no longer eat each other in the Philippines, and Americans have their own brand of slightly amended democracy. There are roads and schools and hospitals, providing the itinerant population haven't destroyed them in the individual pursuit of a lust for power, and most countries under the Pax Brittanica have some form of government and legal systems.

Simplistic, yes, but that's how it was, in a nutshell.

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Explain to me then why the British is at it's largest extent in 1946.

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[DeletedUser]

Thats a pretty nice empire

Probably got mixed up between the two World Wars. Britain was said to not be the superpower it once was after WW1 but had a fair bit of empire till end of WW2.